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Just at the cut off for free school meals

139 replies

Velveteengreen · 03/07/2024 13:27

We claim UC and are just under the threshold for FSM. Therefore all the holiday clubs and activities that we could access during school holidays, we’ll need to pay for ourselves. which isn’t feasible. We’ll just about be able to afford to feed our DS this summer holiday as it is and we’ll probably end up back in the overdraft.
I so understand there has to be a cut off point, but I can’t help feeling a little envious when friends who do qualify for FSM are talking about sending their DC into holiday camps for the entire 6 weeks for free. Plus a lot of them will get money from councils for food and essentials too. Same as last year.
I’m honestly not trying to upset anybody but I just feel really down and worried about the upcoming holidays.

OP posts:
Melisha · 03/07/2024 22:35

Gingerkittykat · 03/07/2024 21:25

The OP might be in Scotland, especially since the summer holidays have started here. The threshold for FSM is £19 995. The threshold in NI is £15 000.

I've seen cafes advertised for the holidays where kids can go and get a free meal, no need to be on FSM to be eligible. All kids get free swimming and some other sports during the holidays too.

I had no idea it was so much higher.

Blondeshavemorefun · 03/07/2024 23:27

I've posted this before but seems really weird that once on fsm it's whole of school

My friend during covid struggled as se and started uc and got awarded fsm for Reception as income very low

A year later she was back on her feet. Earning good money

Told school wanted off the list and they said she couldn't

It's whole of school life for her child

That's madness but seems the rules

She donates food she buys with the holiday school meals vouchers she gets

As was told if she didn't claim them they go to waste as have been paid /provided for

Should she accepts them and buys food and drops off at food bank

Gingerkittykat · 03/07/2024 23:30

It was much higher in England and Wales until the Tories slashed the threshold in 2019. Arlene Foster agreed to vote for the cut as long as NI was exempt from it and I think FSM is probably a devolved issue so in Scotland, we make our own rules.

User2460177 · 03/07/2024 23:42

WithACatLikeTread · 03/07/2024 15:50

Many reasons why parents can't work full time including too expensive childcare or disability. It actually works better if you are in retail to drop your hours and get UC than work full time as it isn't work it financially. Blame the government rather than the individual.

Why blame the government? For what? Benefits being too generous?

caringcarer · 04/07/2024 00:02

I hate the thought of kids going hungry over school holidays.

WithACatLikeTread · 04/07/2024 06:22

User2460177 · 03/07/2024 23:42

Why blame the government? For what? Benefits being too generous?

You know that isn't what I meant. Personally I don't think they are generous enough.

WithACatLikeTread · 04/07/2024 06:25

NameChangePoP · 03/07/2024 15:57

That's not true on UC. The more you work the better off you are.

That is why I work extra in the school holidays when I have childcare.

UndertheCedartree · 04/07/2024 07:29

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 03/07/2024 21:04

It's definitely a thing here in Portsmouth. If you get free school meals you get everything else fucking free holiday clubs and activities free.

Do you get it everyday for the whole day for 6 weeks, though?

Simonjt · 04/07/2024 07:38

UndertheCedartree · 04/07/2024 07:29

Do you get it everyday for the whole day for 6 weeks, though?

No, they have to offer 16 days spread over at least four weeks, if the summer holidays are less than six weeks they have to offer 12 days spread over 3 weeks. Each day has to be at least four hours and include one meal that meets primary food standards.

UndertheCedartree · 04/07/2024 08:12

Simonjt · 04/07/2024 07:38

No, they have to offer 16 days spread over at least four weeks, if the summer holidays are less than six weeks they have to offer 12 days spread over 3 weeks. Each day has to be at least four hours and include one meal that meets primary food standards.

Yes, I know. But the OP suggested people get the entire 6 weeks full days for free.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 06/07/2024 07:20

RubySloth · 03/07/2024 21:15

You don't think families on under 8k a year shouldn't be entitled to let there children experience activities like the MC? Maybe they should run round the street kicking cans like the good old days 😏

Some families have a disabled parent, who can't work or take their children out... open that ickle mind.

First of all you're presuming I'm middle class which I am very much not. I'm on minimum wage.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have fsm (although personally I think they should either be free to all or not free at all), but why are working parents who are on low incomes penalised yet again. I don't need holiday clubs as my youngest is 16 but I have done in the past and I've had to pay. People who don't work don't need holiday childcare do they yet it's free to them.

TemuSpecialBuy · 06/07/2024 07:25

Velveteengreen · 03/07/2024 13:47

we are both already paying the max into our pensions, I don’t think we can up it

If you are both actually paying 120k per year combined into your pensions....
You can pay for food for your child and summer clubs you just dont want to.

I say this as a high earner who gets no childcare relief / subsidy at all.

Blondeshavemorefun · 06/07/2024 09:48

@Velveteengreen how much do you earn

If just over to qualify for fsm then why not up your hours , if struggling and uc will help with childcare costs

Or pay less into pension

What hours do you work/need covered in school holidays

CakeDream · 22/07/2024 17:15

OP just apply for FSM in a month where no wages are reported in your UC assessment period. This often happens when you had one month reporting two lots of wages and the follow with zero. It's a pain but the month with zero will give you full UC for that month plus you can apply for FSM. You put your nationality insurance number into an online form, which generates a certificate that you then give to the school.

Or drop your hours for a month.

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