Lucy Letby ( To understand)

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What made her kill these babies. Been in the news again today.

It's hard to understand?
Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

Will anyone try to find out, I guess if people don't admit they are guilty it's hard too.

Instead of people saying give me 5 mins in a cell with her, surely it's better to stop this happening or maybe it's not possible?
Why does she want to be one of the most hated women in the universe and not give a shit about the babies families and even her own parents?

So much better to be known for doing something nice and have people like you?
AIBU to wonder why she took this road in life?

You're 100% certain? And who has claimed she didn't do it because she's a white, blond woman?

Many claimed Myra was in thrall to her boyfriend who they believed was the ringleader. There was also a Lord who used his visibility and influence to protest her innocence until his death.

I don't think she did it. She's been scapegoated, primarily by Dr Jayaram. It'll all come out in the end as per Andrew Malkinson.

Guilty as sin. So glad that justice is being served.

Disagreeing with someone isn’t gaslighting.

My point is that plenty of people care about potential wrong convictions simply because a robust legal system is fundamental to a functioning society. It has nothing to do with skin colour or sex of the accused.

Many of the cases The Innocence Project take on are because of the tireless work of normal people who bring attention to the cases in the first place. Therefore my comment does indeed have direct relevance in response to yours.

I think sociopathy/psychopathy.

The number of threads I’ve seen on this vile animal, questioning her involvement says all I need to know. Contrast this with threads related to Shamima Begum who has not been connected to any actual murders.

If Shamima and Lucy swapped positions, Lucy would be back home after it was deemed she had been groomed. Meanwhile Shamima would be called scum with people begging for her to be given one of those indeterminate sentences where you never get out or saying we should leave ECHR so she can be given death penalty.

She sure as hell wouldn’t have managed to kill that many babies if she didn’t look like she did. She would have been scrutinised and stopped waaaay earlier. The fact she knew people would never believe it was her made her cocky and encouraged her to became increasingly daring.

WTF... what!? They are entirely different situations... In what way is this comparable?!

The number of threads I’ve seen on this vile animal, questioning her involvement says all I need to know

But no one has said it’s because she’s blonde or white, you have just decided that. Shamima Begum has made very disturbing comments about the Manchester bombing being justified and not being affected by the sight of a head in a bin. I doubt anyone with those views, regardless of colour, would be welcomed back.

I agree with this.

No it doesn't tell you all you need to know. You made an assumption that it's because she's a white woman and you're running with that and don't care what peoples reasons are.

Personally the evidence provided didn't convince me she was guilty. I would have felt the same no matter who it was.

As for Shamima Begum loads of people feel sympathy for her so if you're trying to make out that Letby gets sympathy and Begum doesn't that's only because of your own confirmation bias.

A sky poll from a few years ago about Begum said 79% thought the UK were right to revoke citizenship, 15% thought they shouldn't and 6% didn't know.

I looked at a poll on a MN thread from last year and 81% thought the OP was being unreasonable for doubting Letbys guilt and 19% thought she wasn't.

Quite often in cases like this, there’s something in the offender’s background which triggers serial crimes like these such as trauma or abuse, together with some defective hardwiring. Certainly not an excuse but as an understanding.

Letby did a lot of training specifically to keep babies alive but it seems actually her aim was to the opposite. You could argue that something in her background gave her a predilection to want to harm/kill babies. Did she have a baby who died, had to have an abortion, maybe as a result of SA, was she infertile, so hated other peoples babies etc? We’ll never know as her private medical information will never be released or it may not even be on record, all we know is she targeted babies and there will be a reason as to why.

There is suspicion she could have tried to harm babies as early as 2012 which was only a year after she graduated as a children’s nurse and she would only have been 22. Certainly raises the idea that she may have chosen that field for a reason?

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/20/lucy-letby-dozens-more-babies-police-believe-chester-liverpool

To play god

youll find that nearly all sane serial killers do it because it makes them feel omnipotent. Powerful. Like god…..

I think this comes closest. I would add that she couldn't have seen the babies as individuals, or as people at all. She lacked the ability to imagine those babies developing in the future, becoming children and then adults with the decades of life they should have had, lifetimes which she just deleted. The babies were just objects to her, objects she used to get attention for herself.

A random thought I had was maybe she has extreme views like antinatalism, or she thought the parents didn't deserve babies (too poor, a different race etc).

@Americano75 What are the conspiracy theories?

BTW before I get jumped on, I am in no way suggesting that women who lose babies, have terminations, are in infertile may have a predilection to harm/kill other people’s babies, in the same way that most people who experience extreme trauma/abuse don’t go on to harm/kill other people but there’s often a trigger for perpetrators targeting their victims as in associating them with something, together with the brain not functioning in the same way in the pre frontal cortex and amygdala as non offenders which is the majority of the human population. There’s quite a bit of research been done on it.

Antinatalists are against causing suffering. They don't want biological children for this exact reason. To harm a child would totally be against their beliefs.

Another who thinks the evidence was weak, the trust needed a scapegoat and that she's likely innocent

Weak evidence. Circumstantial at best. Several other babies died in suspicious circumstances. Never investigated. So many faults in the unit including unresolved sewage problems = potential sepsis at least. Gross miscarriage of justice

Anti natalism isn't extreme and is vehemently against harming babies

Please look up the proper meaning of gasslighting.

People questioned things during the trials because it was an extremely high profile , well reported case, which never made sense from the start and had all the hallmarks/ red flags of an unsafe prosecution, then conviction.

The only people fixated on her hair , skin colour and gender are people like you , who apparently think everything must be about that, and that she couldn’t possibly be victim of a wrongful conviction because of her appearance and demographic attributes .

@Firefly1987 and @QueenBitch666 thanks for that explanation, I've obviously used the wrong word!
But there are people who think the population is too big so less people should be having babies.
Or that humans are causing too many problems (climate change etc) so no one should be having babies.
Which as a thought I suppose isn't extreme but acting on it in this way would be.

I don’t believe Lucy letby is guilty . The reasons have nothing to do with her skin colour.

I believe that Shamima Begum was a victim of grooming and child sexual exploitation. I do not think she was responsible for any violence. I think it is a despicable miscarriage of justice that her citizenship was revoked, and I very much wish to see her returned to the UK and given the opportunity to rebuild her life.

I think Shamima was groomed and it’s disgraceful that the UK revoked her citizenship and terrible that more people were not uncomfortable that the government did this. Even if she did murder someone she was groomed and radicalised in the UK and that’s where she should be. Even in jail there.