Lucy Letby ( To understand)

[PassingStranger]

What made her kill these babies. Been in the news again today.

It's hard to understand?
Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

Will anyone try to find out, I guess if people don't admit they are guilty it's hard too.

Instead of people saying give me 5 mins in a cell with her, surely it's better to stop this happening or maybe it's not possible?
Why does she want to be one of the most hated women in the universe and not give a shit about the babies families and even her own parents?

So much better to be known for doing something nice and have people like you?
AIBU to wonder why she took this road in life?

I personally think that the public inquiry later this year will shed a lot more light on things.

the doctors were incompetent. One (think Jayram) had previously killed a baby by putting a breathing tube into their stomach and then not checking for 7 hours. They failed to take all these unexpected deaths to the CDRB because they didn’t want to open themselves up for criticism and that’s what happens at these things. All the other doctors in the area tell you everything you did wrong. And they did a lot wrong there all the time. That’s the only explanation why they didn’t go there. They knew the care they were giving was not up to standard.

i don’t know how much their incompetence played a role here. But any decent inquiry should get to the bottom of it.

That small group of deluded or corrupt doctors got so very lucky that the innocent nurse they framed kept creepy stacks of handover sheets alongside her notes which read "I did this. I'm evil. I killed them on purpose". What a stroke of luck, do you think she was in on the conspiracy?

The only ridiculous conspiracies are the one that led to this absurd conviction.

what’s more likely?
More babies died than usual because of the dire conditions and management of the hospital (which is well evidenced and documented).
Or… these were the actions of a maniacal, serial baby-murderess dressed up as a sweet and caring nurse . I mean , really…

The doctors’ narrative is that the hospital management conspired to protect a serial killer and prevent them going to the police.

No it wasn't. The doctors' narrative is that the hospital management failed to believe anyone could be deliberately killing babies and especially not 'nice Lucy' and wanted to avoid bad publicity at all costs so told them to drop it. Sounds a whole lot more plausible that that's actually what happened doesn't it? Because it did.

Did they identify the married doctor?

Bet he hasn't visited her in prison and dosent want to know her now?

Apparently the name got leaked because it wasn't redacted when they released the details about why the appeal was refused!

So his wife will know he was having an affair with her?

@PassingStranger
I think he hasn't wanted to know her for a long time.

I don't think he told the truth in court either, not sure how he got away with that tbh even though I don't think it was relevant to the outcome.

I assume so if she didn't already know.
The name has been redacted now but once it's out it's out. I bet I could find it out in 5 minutes if I looked (but I don't really care).

If anyone is interested in seeing just how useless police and senior bureaucrats can be at understanding science, look up the commission of inquiry into the DNA lab in Qld Australia. Decades of incompetence covered up and processes implemented with the approval of the police who didn’t understand the science and just accepted the word of the supposed ‘expert’ in charge of the lab. When it was all uncovered by another scientist investigating a murder ( of Shandee Blackburn) she was ridiculed and made out like she was a delusional trouble maker. The commission eventually found she was right, the scientist in charge of the lab was corrupt, and hundreds of thousands of dna tests going back decades need to be retested with likely thousands of rapists and murderers going free as a result. And this all happened, because the police and the government officials didn’t understand the science of the report that was given to them, and just accepted the word of their ‘expert’.

This is a really interesting thread discussing why LL may have committed her crimes.

How about those that want to discuss if she is innocent or guilty start a separate thread? It's irritating to have to scroll past your arguments to get back to the original discussion of WHY she did it.

Are you the thread police? If people are trying to ask and answer “whyshe did it”, I think it’s pretty relevant to substantiate that she very may well not have done it at all. Everyone is here to contribute to the debate (apart from one or two who just want to sling insults at other posters for having a different opinion).

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lucy-letby-nurse-note-picture-b2202448.html

I don't think an innocent person who was being 'framed' would be writing things like 'I killed them on purpose; I am evil; I don't deserve to live, I am a horrible, evil person, etc.'

It is practically a confession.

Exactly. It is a written confession from her and the suggestion that it was just anguished ramblings is ludicrous given the other circumstantial evidence against her. If I was being wrongfully accused, no way would I be writing “I did it”. Maybe “they think I did it”. Not “I did it”. This is also when she started writing about not getting married and stuff. Because she knew the game was up and she was looking at life in prison.

I believe she did it for the same reason some children pull a fly's wings off and watch it suffer.

Out of morbid fascination, power, and the absolute inability to feel empathy for another living being. Most children grow out of that phase (the ones who go through it). Perhaps she never did.

The tiny babies were her flies.

@Feelsodrained She said she was writing from the perspective of those accusing her. I feel like if i murdered someone and was being investigated I wouldn't be keeping a written confession in my house. I think though it's the reason she was convicted

Hmmm but then I’d imagine it being something like “you did it” or “Lucy did it”. It’s clearly written from her own perspective. I think if I was being accused, I’d be angry but confident that the truth would come out as I hadn’t done anything wrong. I doubt I’d be sitting writing notes about killing babies, whether from my perspective or someone else’s. It’s hard to know how you’d react I guess and I’m sure anyone would find it stressful. But I think what really tipped her over the edge into depression and severe anxiety was her knowledge that she DID do it.
I do think the notes were damning but I think the other evidence would have been more than enough to convict her - forging notes, going in the nurseries without reason, being found standing over the bedsides.

Do you have a link for this?

As she had over 250 handover sheets in her house, I wonder how many other babies she tried to hurt. I know several will the same for each baby but it’s still a huge number.

As she escalated her attacks to trauma (baby N and baby O), it’s unthinkable how those physical attacks could have started and got progressively worse. There had to have been a starting phase that didn’t involve blunt force trauma.

Stacks of handover sheets you think is evidence of murder do you?

She also wrote: “I didn’t do anything” in her notes. So if you want to take the one at face value you have to take the other.

I do think that if you really were falsely accused the effect on your mental health would be massive and it is possible you would write something like this. It's like the if you're told often enough you did something you start to believe it.

What is the significance of the handover sheets? That they helped her plan the murders?

Which is effectively protecting a serial killer. The management dismissed the claims as there was no evidence to support them, not because the didn’t believe in principle that people could kill babies. Anyone in the NHS knows that can happen. The Victorino Chua was convicted in May 2015 so it was literally in the news at the time.

Lucy lodged a grievance and the doctors had to apologise. The pathology reports confirmed the deaths were natural causes, the RCPCH report confirmed that there was no evidence of anything suspicious going on. The evidence was on Lucy’s side.

It was actually a doctor, Brearey, who said “not nice Lucy”.

Personally I didn't think there was significance in the handover sheets apart from one that was kept in a keepsake box and was obviously important to her. Again though, it wasn't the evidence per say that was interesting to me, it was her feigning ignorance, not giving any explanation that was telling. The biggest evidence of guilt in the trial was Lucy herself.

They're trophies. They help her to remember and relive what she did. It's something serial killers do.