Lucy Letby ( To understand)

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What made her kill these babies. Been in the news again today.

It's hard to understand?
Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

Will anyone try to find out, I guess if people don't admit they are guilty it's hard too.

Instead of people saying give me 5 mins in a cell with her, surely it's better to stop this happening or maybe it's not possible?
Why does she want to be one of the most hated women in the universe and not give a shit about the babies families and even her own parents?

So much better to be known for doing something nice and have people like you?
AIBU to wonder why she took this road in life?

This is 100% just my speculation. I think she was a quiet/shy girl who coveted what others had. I suspect she saw these happy families and feared she would not be able to obtain this for herself. And she killed as a way to punish.

I think she enjoyed the attention she got from the other nurses who checked in with her after being on duty when a baby died. She was probably used to being overlooked and found a way ti all of a sudden be at the centre of attention. For some reason I think she was socially awkward when non one on one so would not be able to engineer positive attention easily.

Sick, evil bitch.

Bu all accounts though she was popular and and the managers has a lot of respect for ,her the consultant, s who first raised their suspicions were made to apologise to her .

And she seemed to have some friends from school and university. She doesn't appear to have been particularly gauche to the extent she had no friends.

I hear people saying listen to The Trial, we've no link to where we can watch or listen to The Trial. Thank you

Yes. She comes across as very child like in some ways too.

That was the point, her upbringing had nothing to do with it. This is why it is so hard to understand the reasons for her to harm those babies.

Don't be put off by the Fail. Caroline Cheetham comes across as a good journalist

open.spotify.com/show/5EZDmxyDtMPeJ1laVDWuWd?si=lNVfciW7QcWc5G-wdrMyLg

Crime Scene 2 Courtroom on Youtube cover LL’s case.

Also, the transcript isn’t or wasn’t realised to the public.

The Trial is excellent if you are interested in this case - long listen great for when doing drudge work / exercise

An old friend of the family spent many hours dog walking with a serial killer and had no idea.

It’s something I’ve thought about, among many other things I’m not qualified to make a judgement about. I’ve described her quite cruelly here, for brevity, but to reassure anyone reading my partner and I know that she is struggling with something and as infuriating as she can be we are are kind and respectful. We are mindful of difference and we are comfortable with it.

My gut feeling is the unusual family dynamic is a big factor. There are no major traumas (as far as we know of course) and from the outside the family is a completely unremarkable white, lower middle class, 2.4 children, estate car on the tidy drive set up. Things can be very different to what they appear from the outside.

I wouldn’t necessarily say this means she was popular. Surely we’ve all had the difficult/problematic colleague who when challenged immediately kicks up a huge drama or puts in a grievance, and management/HR can’t be bothered with the faff or are worried about the legal position so back down?

It’s ineffective assistance of counsel not council - that’s your local authority, not a barrister…

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I think she was described as popular,,?
But the managers supported her when several consultants raised concerns
I used to be a nurse albeit in mental health so a very different setting ime management try and cover their own back, it would be a lot easier to go down the disciplinary route for one staff nurse ,than several consultants .

@BlanketAnnouncement That resonates! Sometimes extra respectful and complimentary, have seen that

I think she wasn’t offensive enough to be disliked so those around her in the hospital found her pleasant enough. And the other nurses included her on night outs etc. I wouldn’t call that popular. And she was always willing to pick up shifts so the managers appreciated that.

That is my guess. I think she was on the fringes and just deeply jealous and insecure.

Doesn’t seem she ever had a serious relationship. Quite odd for her age. Suggests a lack of confidence.

I often wonder how people with so called "normal" upbringings (both LL and Joanna Delaney) can end up like this. We will never know as most people instinct is to protect and care for babies not harm them!

If she's innocent, then you'd have to believe there was a conspiracy amongst the doctors who reported her as well as the police investigation (that lasted more than a year), and the prosecution office. Do you really think all of these people conspired to set up a normal seemingly upstanding nurse? Occam's razor will surely break with that logic.

Does it ,?
She's 34 now and this has been ongoing since 2018 ,which would have made her 27/28 ,
Many people don't settle down untill they are in their 30,s
I was single for last most of my 20,s bar ,a few short term relationships and flings
I met my dh when I was 31 and I had never lived ,with anyone etc before him.
On the outside ,she was a qualified nurse ,owned her own home ,socialised with friends and colleagues .

Exactly. There is a mountain of evidence against her. The police investigation was extremely thorough, yet people still harp on about her possibly being innocent. Or they mention feeling sorry for her because she's obviously unwell. I do wonder if she looked different if she would have garnered so much benefit of the doubt and public sympathy. She's a freaking ghoul.
How about saving the sympathy for the poor parents and the staff who worked hard to save the babies whose efforts were fruitless. These people will carry the trauma for life.

I guess there is a spectrum of empathy, but some babies and toddlers do display lots of empathy, especially when they have a secure attachment and responsive parenting with equally good boundaries. People's degree of empathy is due to inherent personality as well as their life experiences. In terms of organised religion, it sadly tends to be less about overcoming people's inner selfishness and beastliness and more about control, power and abuse.

The NHS trust where all this happened sounds absolutely tragic, bureaucracy upheld by the corrupt, over promoted and incompetent. Sadly, many other NHS trusts are probably much the same. In terms of how could she do it??? It's similar to the young child who takes pleasure in killing small animals. It happens, and is due to the same mix of boredom, lack of empathy and sense of power as LL probably experienced.

This.
I also wonder what constitutes concrete evidence here? CCTV?
They have eyewitness, medical, and loads of circumstancial evidence against her. This wasn't a hatchet job.

Pathetic loser who would never amount to anything?!

Imagine she hadn't done this and was a normal human being - she was be a NICU nurse caring for the most fragile and vulnerable.

You think that's a job that makes her a loser who hasn't amounted to anything? Do you fancy saying that to any other NICU nurses ?

Just the usual 'set up' types but there was a New Yorker article about the case that was blocked on UK social media. Didn't help that it was casting doubt on the conviction.