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Reasons not to vote Tory

82 replies

Aladdinzane · 02/07/2024 16:16

As the Tory faithful here appear to be terrified of a Labour government ( judging by all the threads) lets remind ourselves for reasons not to vote Tory.

  1. Jacob Rees-Mogg: The Haunted Pencil, my most hoped for Portillo moment.
  2. Liz Truss: For being completely unhinged.
  3. 14 years of public sector decline.

Any more?

OP posts:
cardibach · 02/07/2024 21:04

Pie gives all the reasons, with statistics to back it up.

MasterBeth · 02/07/2024 21:17

The decimation of public services at the expense of personal taxation. Giving me a few hundred pounds a year less in taxation is of no value to me if the public services that civilise our society are neglected. So:

Street homelessness.
Libraries.
Potholes.
Closed youth centres
Shit in our rivers (Environment Agency funding slashed).
Arts funding
Public transport cuts

And, of course, the neglect of social care, disability services, education and health care.

US2gether · 02/07/2024 22:59

Pipsqueaker · 02/07/2024 20:58

This lady is my reason to vote the Tories out:

https://twitter.com/MarinaPurkiss/status/1668325251195731990/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1668325251195731990&currentTweetUser=MarinaPurkiss

This is a recording of her call to Radio 4 Any Answers.

Trigger warning: suicide and child loss.

Wow. That poor family. Couldn't visit their daughter whilst Boris partied. Their daughter committed suicide. Awful. Bloody lying sleezy government.

MathsandStats · 03/07/2024 00:48

So much sewage in our local river it has signs everywhere telling people to keep away and what used to be a lovely chalk stream teeming with wildlife has now been pronounced dead.

Our Tory MP voted to allow them to do it. I have on record all her justifications. Now she's putting leaflets through our door saying "fighting against sewage in our rivers".

Utter hypocrite.

HowIrresponsible · 03/07/2024 00:55

What is the obsession with sure start centres?

You realise at their peak there were only 3600 centres? They still exist - only 1 in 3 were closed.

But how much of the population that needed them really got use out of 3600 centres with a population as large as the UK.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 03/07/2024 00:57

cardibach · 02/07/2024 21:04

Pie gives all the reasons, with statistics to back it up.

This succinctly sums up why this notion that you can vote Conservative to "protect women" is an absolute fucking nonsense.

We would be back living in caves on a diet of grubs, but at least the government would "KnOw WhAt A wOmAn Is!!!!!11111"

ilovesooty · 03/07/2024 01:02

Schmoana · 02/07/2024 20:57

Owen Paterson. The first sign of Boris’s complete lack of integrity (if it was ever in any doubt). And after that he sacked anyone with any ounce of decency from the Tory party

He got rid of anyone with any decency long before that.

EpicGem · 03/07/2024 01:23

The continued dehumanisation of disabled people via PIP "assessments".

TooBigForMyBoots · 03/07/2024 02:01

They're shit?
They keep forgetting NI exists.

Yeeooo Brexit. Oops forgot about NI and the GFA.
Yeeooo Rwanda! Oops, forgot about NI and the GFA. Again.
Yeeoo National Service! Oops, forgot about... Ah fuck that.Hmm

US2gether · 03/07/2024 08:07

Wheeling out Bozo Boris yesterday. That lying joke that some people listen to because 'he's funny and has a personality that is jovial' you can't make this ridiculous stuff up. People want clowns and surprisingly get clowns 🤡.

Steady, dull but competent shouldn't be seen as a negative. Upside down thinking.

BillStickersWillBeProsocuted · 03/07/2024 08:13

When they took over UK had 29 Billionaires
We now have 177 Billionaires
The rest of us are on average £11k/ year worse off suffering the highest taxes in 70 years.
It's clear which side their bread is buttered
(To be fair I got that from Jonathan pie and haven’t fact checked but I'd be surprised if he put stuff out that's not acturate)

Edit - just realised @cardibach already posted the video I got that from! the video obvioulsy has much more but that's the bit that jumped out at me!

randomchap · 03/07/2024 08:18

They've fucked the criminal justice system, cases taking years to get to court, courts being unusable due to raac concrete, police forces being told to arrest fewer people as there's no room in prison, prisoners being released early due to no space

HowIrresponsible · 03/07/2024 08:39

randomchap · 03/07/2024 08:18

They've fucked the criminal justice system, cases taking years to get to court, courts being unusable due to raac concrete, police forces being told to arrest fewer people as there's no room in prison, prisoners being released early due to no space

You don't think covid and courts being closed for that long caused a backlog to clear just like the NHS?

You were all happy for closures at the time as long as you got to be furlouged and do fuck all on full pay.

The consequences are here.

Or do you seriously think you can cancel public services for the best part of a 1-2 years and there be no impact?

randomchap · 03/07/2024 09:59

HowIrresponsible · 03/07/2024 08:39

You don't think covid and courts being closed for that long caused a backlog to clear just like the NHS?

You were all happy for closures at the time as long as you got to be furlouged and do fuck all on full pay.

The consequences are here.

Or do you seriously think you can cancel public services for the best part of a 1-2 years and there be no impact?

Edited

I work for the nhs. Supporting front line staff, I saw first hand how it affected patients and staff.

And while they were struggling, Johnson and his cronies partied. The night before Prince Phillip's funeral they were partying. The Queen sat on her own at her husband's funeral, whilst those who made the rules ignored them and laughed in our faces.

HowIrresponsible · 03/07/2024 10:01

randomchap · 03/07/2024 09:59

I work for the nhs. Supporting front line staff, I saw first hand how it affected patients and staff.

And while they were struggling, Johnson and his cronies partied. The night before Prince Phillip's funeral they were partying. The Queen sat on her own at her husband's funeral, whilst those who made the rules ignored them and laughed in our faces.

And you think no labour politician would have broken a single rule.

How naive you are to assume they're going to be such total angels

cupcaske123 · 03/07/2024 10:02

Swingingvvoter · 02/07/2024 16:49

We need a change but don't imagine that they will help with many problems.
The last Labour gov admitted they failed on child poverty and hospitals were underfunded and in crisis.
However, the Blair /Brown last years were of course savaged by a global financial melt down!

All governments are struggling with the legacy of that global financial melt down /followed by a global pandemic /followed by.... Ukraine.

We are very insular looking in the UK thinking these problems are ours and yet in Europe, some more socialist governments have the same struggles.

I would like to see a return of sure start centers and initiatives like that.
But unfortunately, aside from the fact we just need change, I can't say a single policy or soundbites I agree with or have faith in.

The last Labour gov admitted they failed on child poverty and hospitals were underfunded and in crisis.

Any evidence of that? Recollections and stats speak differently.

KimberleyClark · 03/07/2024 10:04

They don’t actually deserve another chance. Why give them one?

HowIrresponsible · 03/07/2024 10:05

cupcaske123 · 03/07/2024 10:02

The last Labour gov admitted they failed on child poverty and hospitals were underfunded and in crisis.

Any evidence of that? Recollections and stats speak differently.

PFI contracts - nhs hospitals are still in debt paying billions to private companies for their fancy new hospitals.

Baby P, Victoria Climbie for a start- both occurred under labour governments.

cupcaske123 · 03/07/2024 10:15

HowIrresponsible · 03/07/2024 10:05

PFI contracts - nhs hospitals are still in debt paying billions to private companies for their fancy new hospitals.

Baby P, Victoria Climbie for a start- both occurred under labour governments.

Any evidence to back up what you're saying? I can speak words too. It doesn't mean they're correct. For example 30 percent of children are in poverty. The figure has climbed drastically since the Labour government.

RobinStrike · 03/07/2024 10:17

@HowIrresponsible true that PFI was a disaster, but in the previous 20 years only 4 hospitals were built. Under Labour 104 were built, at the time PFI was the only public private method on offer and where else could they find the money after such massive underfunding?

According to the Children's' Commissioner the last Labour government removed a million children from absolute and relative poverty.
The Joseph Rowntree Foundation says more than a million children are in absolute poverty now and that six million people would need to more than double their income to move out of hardship.

randomchap · 03/07/2024 10:17

HowIrresponsible · 03/07/2024 10:01

And you think no labour politician would have broken a single rule.

How naive you are to assume they're going to be such total angels

I did not say that. I cannot judge labour on hypothetical scenarios.

But I absolutely will judge the Tories on things they did actually do. They have proved themselves to be unworthy of leading this country

RobinStrike · 03/07/2024 10:22

In 2010 60,000 people used food banks. According to government's own figures 3% of people -approx 2 million- live in a household where food banks have been used. That's 2021/22 figures. More recent are t yet available.

PadstowGirl · 03/07/2024 10:35

The thought of Suella Braverman as PM.

My dishonest local MP currently embroiled in an expenses mess.

The fuck up in the NHS, dentistry, social care, education. Bloody pot holes everywhere!
8 hour wait for an ambulance to assess my mum after a fall and get her off the floor. I'd happily pay more tax to live in a country with functioning public services.

Water companies making record profits instead of being held to account for the sewage in our rivers.

HS2 and the millions wasted on that.

Rwanda plan, and the millions wasted on that.

Never mind voting for these people, they should be held to account and be bloody well punished for complete ineptitude.

US2gether · 03/07/2024 10:35

randomchap · 03/07/2024 10:17

I did not say that. I cannot judge labour on hypothetical scenarios.

But I absolutely will judge the Tories on things they did actually do. They have proved themselves to be unworthy of leading this country

This.

So many don't judge tories on what they did wring, kerp forgiving them, and they want more time.

Yet so many raise hypothetical scenarios and want to judge Labour on them.

Odd. Yet it keeps happening. Focus on what has happened over the last 14 years rather than what might or might not happen. Facts not make believe.

PadstowGirl · 03/07/2024 10:43

3 more!

ARRS funding, meaning GP practices get extra money to recruit staff, but only if the staff aren't doctors or nurses 😖. Who thought this up?

Doctors pay: £15 an hour is a disgrace. My DC earns less per hour as an intensive care nurse than they did in Macdonald's as a teenager.

Pharmacy first! Except don't pay the pharmacists anymore money for this. My poor sister had a queue of 18 people one morning, in addition to doing her actual job of making up prescriptions.