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Beating the Heat: Why Can't New Builds Have Air Con?

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TeaTimeMum · 27/06/2024 14:42

I'm not sure what it's like at your end, but it's absolutely hot and humid over here and everything just feels harder—neither staying in nor popping out offers any relief. Whether it’s doing the housework, driving, or even just nipping out for some shopping, the heat just makes it all the more dreadful. And yes, we do moan about the weather a fair bit, but this heat is simply too much. I’ve been wondering, why don’t new builds come with air conditioning as standard? Some might argue that we only have a week or two of this scorching weather in the UK, but these days, air con units can heat as well. So why not fit these versatile systems? We could use it to keep cool in the summer and cozy in the winter.

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Riversideandrelax · 27/06/2024 22:12

TeaTimeMum · 27/06/2024 22:02

I’ve noticed from reading through the comments that people who have air conditioning are extremely happy with their decision. On the other hand, those without air conditioning often express a negative outlook based solely on perception, rather than experience.Honestly, I haven’t seen anyone in this post who has air conditioning say they regret it. Looks like a bit of a ‘sour grapes’ situation to me

I have had air conditioning and that's where my comment came from that they are not good at heating. Why on earth do you think everyone who commented negatively has no experience but everyone who expressed positivity does have experience?

PeloMom · 27/06/2024 22:40

@TomatoSandwiches i don’t know what those systems are. Air cooling is run centrally. To be fair I don’t care either way (air cooling vs conditioning) as I have very high heat tolerance; however DH can’t live without aircon so it’s been a must have in our search; that’s how we found out that new builds have air cooling rather than air conditioning (which DH considers insufficient as he won’t be able to get air cooling to a polar bear friendly temperature - which is his preference; there was some technical explanation on why the temp can’t be reduced below certain level that I didnt really pay attention to).

APurpleSquirrel · 27/06/2024 23:57

We have ceiling fans in our new build (well it's 12 years old); normal height ceilings (8ft?) - one in the living room & one on the landing. They work great.

ForGreyKoala · 28/06/2024 00:11

Janehasamane · 27/06/2024 17:08

Well we are a tiny island compared to a continent…

It's not the size of the country that is the issue, it's the number of people living there.

ForGreyKoala · 28/06/2024 00:15

TeaTimeMum · 27/06/2024 22:02

I’ve noticed from reading through the comments that people who have air conditioning are extremely happy with their decision. On the other hand, those without air conditioning often express a negative outlook based solely on perception, rather than experience.Honestly, I haven’t seen anyone in this post who has air conditioning say they regret it. Looks like a bit of a ‘sour grapes’ situation to me

I agree. I have air con and it's a life changer in summer. It's winter at the moment and we had a frosty start to the day - the air con/heat pump is pumping out warmth and I'm thinking of turning it off soon. I do use a different form of heat in the evenings, but that's just because I like the heat source to be right in front of me, but I wouldn't want to be without the air con now.

knitnerd90 · 28/06/2024 01:42

Properly insulated houses keep things cool in summer as well as hot in winter. I was at a friend's last week in New England (USA). Her air conditioning was broken. But because her house is over a hundred years old and properly insulated, it was tolerable inside almost all day despite the fact that we had a high temperature of 38 and a low of 22. (Incidentally, what can make American summers so gruelling is that during a heatwave in the East and South, and increasingly in the Southwest, it does not cool off enough overnight; it's not just the high temperatures. The higher humidity doesn't help, either.)

Well insulated homes and high efficiency windows make both heating and air con cheaper to run, as well. So while air con wouldn't be economical with a leaky, poorly insulated building, it might well be in a properly designed house. This would also improve the success of heat pumps. (As an aside one of the major papers, either the Times or The Washington Post, had an article a few months back on heat pump conversions in Maine, and how one of the reasons residents loved it was that they could have air conditioning! It's becoming necessary there as summers heat up.)

You can design houses to stay cooler in summer without air con, but your windows need to fully open (no big expanses of fixed glass), you can't put giant windows on south facing walls, you need cross-ventilation, you ideally want higher ceilings. You need to be able to ventilate and cool the house when the sun goes down and the temperature drops and then close it up in the morning. If you can't cool it down at night, then you get an oven.

As for installing air-conditioning, the way Americans do it in newer homes is that both the heat and air-con go through the same set of air ducts (either both are run off a heat pump, or in colder climates, there's a separate gas furnace). Alternatively you can use mini-split units, but central is the most practical in a new build. It would certainly be doable in the UK but you would need to design for the ducting.

JMSA · 28/06/2024 01:46

We're in Scotland and my ex husband owns a new build home here. He is wealthy and it will be a very large, top of the range model. He loves the heat, so I doubt he'll get air con installed. However our daughters will regularly grumble about how hot and uncomfortable they find his home. I mean, if it's stuffy here, then I dread to think what the equivalent home would be like in the South of England!

Aussieland · 28/06/2024 04:03

If you build them well you don’t need air con. I am in Australia and rarely turn mine on- ceiling fans are absolutely adequate apart from about 4 days a year. And my ceilings are just normal height!

HumphreyCushionintheHouse · 28/06/2024 04:11

Some might argue that we only have a week or two of this scorching weather in the UK, but these days, air con units can heat as well. So why not fit these versatile systems?

I live in the US and this is what we have. An HVAC system, one for upstairs and one for downstairs. They do both heat and AC, and as we live in an area that runs off a wind farm, it’s affordable to run, especially as it can be set for either up or down.

Solymoly · 28/06/2024 05:17

It's easily fitted if you want it, so probably best to just do that, we just use a portable one for the few hot days which we find is enough. You have to have a large condenser unit on the outside of your house which might put some off, especially on a small house.

SnowDiaries · 28/06/2024 06:11

I‘m in Germany and currently working on the plans for our new house. The house will be insulated to Passivhaus standard, have solar panels and a ground source heat pump. We will definitely be getting air-con as well. There are so many houses with solar panels now, producing more energy than needed on sunny days. It would be much better if that surplus energy was used right at the source (i.e. for cooling houses or charging EVs) rather than having it flood the grid.

Gingerdancedbackwards · 28/06/2024 06:24

TeaTimeMum · 27/06/2024 14:42

I'm not sure what it's like at your end, but it's absolutely hot and humid over here and everything just feels harder—neither staying in nor popping out offers any relief. Whether it’s doing the housework, driving, or even just nipping out for some shopping, the heat just makes it all the more dreadful. And yes, we do moan about the weather a fair bit, but this heat is simply too much. I’ve been wondering, why don’t new builds come with air conditioning as standard? Some might argue that we only have a week or two of this scorching weather in the UK, but these days, air con units can heat as well. So why not fit these versatile systems? We could use it to keep cool in the summer and cozy in the winter.

We have one of those that heat and cool.We put it on a couple of days ago.
After 2 hours, we had to remortgage the house and sell our firstborn
That's probably why houses aren't built with them installed
Oh, and only about 4 days a year when it's worth putting on...

AgentJohnson · 28/06/2024 06:38

I live in a new build and the position of my flat in the complex means that 70% of my living space overlooks a court yard. In the summer heat gets trapped in the courtyard and thus 70% of my appartment is 3 degrees warmer. I hate air con with a passion (years spent travelling SE Asia) so we have low profile ceiling fans and black out curtains. I’d advocate for under floor heating over aircon.

Building regulations lag so far behind that the standards we are building to now reflect the climate situations from more than a decade ago, perhaps even longer.

Ginmonkeyagain · 28/06/2024 06:50

I must be a lizard as I live in a flat in London and it's fine - slept under a duvet last night.

We do have a lot of greenery in our garden and very thick walls, plus I am obsessive about covering windows in the day during summer.

DedicatedCakeEater · 28/06/2024 06:55

You could buy a single unit to cool one room.

Solymoly · 28/06/2024 07:41

I have found that downstairs in our house is fine even in the high 30s temps, it's the upstairs which gets hot, especially the main bedroom which is south facing. Whole house air con would be a waste so if we had it fitted it would just be the one bedroom. At the moment we use a portable one which we made a cover for the open window for the hose to poke through, I forgot to look at the meter display when it was on but DH said it was about 1kw so probably similar to an oil filled radiator in cost, so ok for a few days like running a heater in a cold spell

Autumn1990 · 28/06/2024 07:59

This is where they are missing a trick with ashp. Some are reversible and can cool in summer especially the air to air version which are ideal for flats and smaller properties

OpenSnail · 02/10/2024 21:08

Generally speaking majority of people assume air conditioning only cools a property, there is nothing in the word that states this.

it is used considerably more both commercial and domestic as a form of heating, YES HEATING.

The outlay for an air conditioning unit could well be in the low 4 figure mark, but at a fraction of the cost it is to run (50p-£1 per day) depending on price per kw and the amount of hours used, against todays gas prices, it is a no brainer and far more efficient. Since removing our radiators (creating room) 1 year ago and having a full air conditioning system installed in the loft for around £5000, our combined gas and electricity bill had dropped from £250 per month to £77, saving us around £175 per month, in less than 3 years it will have paid for itself.

I don’t think there is enough information posted out there for the average joe bloggs to even know what air conditioning is, thus encouraging them to have it installed at home to reduce monthly running costs

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