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To think food banks aren’t fit for purpose

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ForFirmBiscuit · 24/06/2024 22:35

I don’t need to use a food bank but when I did they gave me tins of soup, a small tin of meat pie, a litre of UHT and a small bag of oats, nothing fresh. I didn’t get much and I was really hungry as there wasn’t enough calories and it was insubstantial. It gave me loads of anxiety to be so hungry. It’s always been like that.
I think food banks should be supplied by the council and given proper budgets for good food, even if they made batches of soup themselves to give out it would be more filling than a tin of soup

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BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2024 00:52

We re not even allowed to give home made stuff for the harvest festival these days so I doubt they’d be allowed to hand out home made soup due to potential of food poisoning or contaminants.

I think it all has to be industry packaged and fresh food goes off quicker.

Supersimkin7 · 25/06/2024 00:54

The amount of food you get from
a food bank has gone down in inner London since 2023.

Too many people are using food banks for a decent spread in a parcel now.

Cooking oil is supplied as an inch in the bottom of a bottle, as is washingup liquid and laundry liquid. One onion, one apple if you’re single, a child’s apple juice carton. Food banks don’t get enough to give out.

OP, you’re not wrong.

ForFirmBiscuit · 25/06/2024 00:59

Supersimkin7 · 25/06/2024 00:54

The amount of food you get from
a food bank has gone down in inner London since 2023.

Too many people are using food banks for a decent spread in a parcel now.

Cooking oil is supplied as an inch in the bottom of a bottle, as is washingup liquid and laundry liquid. One onion, one apple if you’re single, a child’s apple juice carton. Food banks don’t get enough to give out.

OP, you’re not wrong.

The amounts are ridiculously small and insubstantial. There must be no more than 200 cal in a tin of soup if that you can’t really call it a meal. A cup of soup that needs boiling water over the top of it or a Pot Noodle isn’t a meal either

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CyanideShake · 25/06/2024 01:02

Livelovebehappy · 25/06/2024 00:50

Just re-read your post. And yep, clearly says food banks are as a result of the last decade of Tory government. Which does kind of imply that it will all be different under a Labour government?

Give me strength.

Where did I mention Labour?

I didn't.

Yes, the huge number of foodbanks in the country have appeared during the Tories 14 year government as a result of Tory policy. That's undeniable.

If we do have a Labour government coming in I certainly bloody hope they'll at least try and undo some of the Tory policies that have made foodbansk so common, but I'm also a realist and do not see Starmer as some great saviour, and do not expect a magic wand to be waved and the need for foodbanks to suddenly disappear.

Off you pop and live laugh love, hun xx

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2024 02:22

The Trussel Trust run most food banks in the UK after opening their first in 2004.
They state online the contents of the average food parcel
Here’s what they say

To think food banks aren’t fit for purpose
To think food banks aren’t fit for purpose
Kandalama · 25/06/2024 02:30

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 25/06/2024 00:09

There are still countries in the world that don't have food banks, but do have functioning social security systems and social (not-for-profit) housing.
It's sad that the OP and others don't realise that food banks didn't use to exist here. And that in previous times of hardship, those forced to rely on benefits could actually afford for the most part to buy basic foodstuffs with their dole money, and didn't face being 'sanctioned' for months on end (a truly shameful new low). Disabled people actually used to get slightly higher payments than other claimants, and have access to things like 'independent living centres', rather than literally starving to death and going through the kind of indignity they now face.
Austerity measures have affected society in so many ways - including cuts to public transport, leaving many people more dependant on overpriced local shops which don't even stock fresh fruit and veg - that malnourishment is on the rise. What an indictment of the Tories and all who have voted for them over the years.

Although the first food banks started under a Labour Government here in the UK and rose at quite a rate.
In the early 2000s

askmenow · 25/06/2024 03:25

Blouson · 25/06/2024 00:35

Just like Blair got rid of the poll tax, oh hang on. The problem is once you've invented something and created a need for it, just like food banks, it will stick around.

" if you build it they will come "

Boomers are always made out to have had easier lives but we've had to cut our cloth and make do. Times were a lot less materialistic and people focussed on priorities not niceties.
Mortgage Interest rates were 15% .
Working two jobs as well as studying at 20 yo.. Now many are happy doing the minimum 16hrs and sit on benefits to top up their income....In fact Job Centres actively promote that given it opens the door to other benefits aswell.

Boomers also paid off the war debt owed to America. So life for many was not quite the rose garden it's often portrayed.
What has been lost in this country is the societal cohesion and the willingness to work hard and strive to better oneself.

DanielGault · 25/06/2024 04:49

User2460177 · 24/06/2024 23:49

The Irish famine was about 170 years ago: seems strange you remember it.

Yes, it's almost like I learned a bit of history?

Meetingofminds · 25/06/2024 05:20

You sound bloody ungrateful and entitled to me. Is there any reason why you can’t buy your own ‘fresh’ ingredients.

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 05:24

ForFirmBiscuit · 24/06/2024 22:35

I don’t need to use a food bank but when I did they gave me tins of soup, a small tin of meat pie, a litre of UHT and a small bag of oats, nothing fresh. I didn’t get much and I was really hungry as there wasn’t enough calories and it was insubstantial. It gave me loads of anxiety to be so hungry. It’s always been like that.
I think food banks should be supplied by the council and given proper budgets for good food, even if they made batches of soup themselves to give out it would be more filling than a tin of soup

no, they are charities, and they should not be funded by the state, and no, no one is cooking in a food bank. There are no facilities, no training, no space to eat, no staff. I think you are entirely missing the point of a food bank.

You are entitled to benefits - you need to be applying for benefits, and fighting for what you are entitled to, not going to a food bank

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 05:56

my uncle works in a food back. A woman turns up in a taxi, leaves the meter running then gets her food and leaves.
her attitude is “why pay more”

DanielGault · 25/06/2024 06:13

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 05:56

my uncle works in a food back. A woman turns up in a taxi, leaves the meter running then gets her food and leaves.
her attitude is “why pay more”

There will always be people like that. It's not an excuse to punish everyone else.

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 06:30

DanielGault · 25/06/2024 06:13

There will always be people like that. It's not an excuse to punish everyone else.

It’s clearly not an intelligent solution
plus I don’t buy that ppl are going hungry
find me an example of someone in hospital who has starved to death through having no money to buy food
too many ppl are over weight and could do with skipping a meal or 10 a week.
kids don’t eat breakfast because they don’t have pushy parents who are prepared to get up in a morning and feed their children.

Singersong · 25/06/2024 06:38

There's no magic food bank fairy. They survive from the generosity of people who donate. We are in a COL crisis so obviously less people are able to donate.

I also think people are misusing them and going to a good bank for free food so they can spend their money on cigarettes and alcohol etc.

The items you received seem fine to me and I think it's really disgraceful when people complain that the charity of others isn't good enough for them.

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 06:49

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 06:30

It’s clearly not an intelligent solution
plus I don’t buy that ppl are going hungry
find me an example of someone in hospital who has starved to death through having no money to buy food
too many ppl are over weight and could do with skipping a meal or 10 a week.
kids don’t eat breakfast because they don’t have pushy parents who are prepared to get up in a morning and feed their children.

Actually I have a friend dealing with this right now, mum starved to death in hospital

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 06:52

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 06:30

It’s clearly not an intelligent solution
plus I don’t buy that ppl are going hungry
find me an example of someone in hospital who has starved to death through having no money to buy food
too many ppl are over weight and could do with skipping a meal or 10 a week.
kids don’t eat breakfast because they don’t have pushy parents who are prepared to get up in a morning and feed their children.

There is some truth in what you are saying for some people, however, I have learnt the hard way that people are genuinely hungry. The DWP itself told me to use a food bank while they processed my claim for benefits. The processing took 6 months, in which time I had no income at all, and had used up my savings

Noras · 25/06/2024 06:53

Someone I knew worked with the council to help people with less cook more effectively and make simple nutritional meals for less. She felt despair as the general feel was why bother when you can get it in a packet. The reality is the low budgets don’t stretch to ready made pizza or ready made meals. However with large bags of lentils, onions and spices you can make Dahl for weeks. Cooking from scratch is cheaper if you have time but it does not take much. Im lucky as my mother spent her childhood starving during the end of the war in Italy and generally if you come originally from peasant stock you have the ability to cook for not much money etc. with so much larger bags of pulses, rice etc in larger supermarkets there is no real need to starve.Any peasant descent person knows how to make a great nutritious soup with 3 carrots, one onion,2 leeks, cabbage 2 tins of tomatoes, 2 tins of of cannellini beans and stock that can feed them for 2 - 3 evening meals with some bread or individual bread rolls. Life won’t be great but it’s not exactly the work house era of the 1920’s - my dad was born in one of those. He had 7 schools by the age of 14 when he left to work as a delivery boy in Liptons on a bike. They fled from rent to rent to avoid paying when he was a child. My mother lived on dug out roots and general foraging in end war Italy even as a child I recall her foraging nettles and making soup ( good for iron). She knew her fungi etc. As a child although we were affluent I had my share of nettles soup, peculiar green soups etc. Nothing was wasted, the bones from the Sunday roast were used to make a risotto on Monday, left over meat was put in a stew. even the fat from the frying pan was re used. Sometimes it smelt gross.

My mother also used ‘used’ cooking fat for face cream and had amazing unlined face.

The last time I visited my family in Italy 2 years ago, the first meal I had was mushroom pasta made from mushrooms foraged freely from the hillside. It’s a different way of thinking

Also as someone around in the 1970s people did starve and I recall someone crying outside the shops saying ‘ I have not got enough money to feed my kids’ it was Christmas Eve. There are lots of programmes on you tube about poverty in the 1960 and 1970’s. However it does not fit the narrative that likes to envisage poverty arising from the Thatcher era onwards. People probably just kept it hidden. Houses were often unheated with ice on the inside etc. My parents once had to burn a piece of furniture as they had no heat. To make matters worse, when my dad was in the army they automatically docked his pay to support his alcoholic dad and mum - yes that system of having pay docked to support parents existed in the 1950s.

So saying, the huge gulf between extraordinarily rich and poor is obscene and needs to be looked at.

OP has not explained their weekly budget.

Real poverty in the 1960 there was no tv, no fridge, no phone, no car. Even middle class families did not have cars in the 1970 or 1980s. My school friend got married in 1983 and her parents had to hire a normal car for the wedding. She never had a phone. She felt ashamed and embarrassed by it all . I recall visiting someone’s grandparents in the 1980s and they stil used a mangle to wring out clothes.

I was privileged and lucky as my parents worked hard to give me a great life but so saying my mother even refused to buy medicine and would strip bark off a willow tree etc and give me this gross green gunk. My childhood was unusual but even now I can feed myself for very little funds. Even though we were wealthy by the time I was about 10 my parents made me wear my older brother’s old trousers/ jumpers when I was about 5 or 7 when aged 14 onwards I raided my mother’s clothes or charity shops, This was long before it was trendy to do so. From an early age I learnt to hang around supermarkets at certain times to get the marked down food or the bargain veg to quickly cook into something nutritious that would last. When I went to university my dad gave me less than the full grant ( I did consider disowning my parents to get a full grant as it was desperate) so I had to work continuously even working at my faculty ball ( we got free food and got to see all the ents). I ring him once when a student and said ‘ I have £1 to last me 3 days and 3 old potatoes and a can of tomatoes. ‘ He responded ‘That will make life interesting for you ‘ and put down the phone.’ (1983) The room I had in the flat we rented was condemned by the council it had one external wall only onto the road, built as an extension in the 1970s and was so cold the cooking oil I had froze. We had running damp and mould.

Even now, I don’t eat meat and actually find beans, lentils and other pulses really nutritious,

I just wanted to explain as many of you have never experienced things like that.

anonhop · 25/06/2024 07:00

I don't know the FB you visited, but ours gives out 3 day parcels of food. There's certainly enough calories. Admittedly it's not the most exciting stuff, but it's ample for 3 days.

Enough cereal/ porridge with UHT milk with tinned fruit
Soups + tinned veg
Meat pies, pasta, rice, chopped tomatoes, tinned fish/meat, tinned potatoes etc
Then some crisps/cereal bars for snacks

They are usually run out of church halls by volunteers & on donations. It's not a government scheme. It's charity.
I think it's a bit off to moan about the quality of a food bank parcel! By all means moan about government & the fact people need FBs, but it's there to stop people going hungry and it does that.

Were you potentially trying to stretch your parcel over more days than intended & that's why it seemed like little food?

Mrsjayy · 25/06/2024 07:06

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2024 00:52

We re not even allowed to give home made stuff for the harvest festival these days so I doubt they’d be allowed to hand out home made soup due to potential of food poisoning or contaminants.

I think it all has to be industry packaged and fresh food goes off quicker.

As long as the organisation has a food hygiene certification they can distribute cooked food.

Fizbosshoes · 25/06/2024 07:06

As PPs have said fresh food is more difficult to store, and with the amount of food, food banks might be limited by a) whats been donated and b) how many people need food in any given week. Donations and recipients possibly fluctuates week by week.
I nearly always include instant noodles when I buy for the food bank because that's what they were asking for, as some people's only "cooking" facility was a kettle.
Olio app and community pantries might have more fresh food.

Gcn · 25/06/2024 07:09

Haven't read the whole thread - but maybe people should have enough money to be able to buy their own food instead of having to go to food banks? I think it's shocking and disgraceful that food banks have become an accepted means of getting food. The problem isn't the state of food banks.

sashh · 25/06/2024 07:10

My nearest food bank is also a community shop.

The local council try to have a community shop of some sort in every ward.

They have a policy or giving at least one 'full meal' so if you came you would get cereal and tins but also a piece of meat or a whole chicken (assuming you are not a vegetarian) potatoes, one or two other fresh veg and gravy granules. You would also get some fresh food.

YABU to extrapolate your one experience to every food bank in the country.

As a country we should be ashamed food banks need to exist.

Also don't forget not everyone has the means to store and cook fresh / frozen food.

@malachitegreen this shop near me do cook sometimes, they run after school family cooking sessions and produced a cook book.

A lot depends on the building they operate in, the facilities available, the storage they have, and the volunteers.

OP have you considered volunteering and improving things?

eggplant16 · 25/06/2024 07:11

Have you ever slogged away volunteering at a FB? They are often in old, cold buildings. Tins have to be dated and rotated and organised. Its uninspiring work tbh. Many of us turn up week in , week out and hope its helping.
A disgrace they even exist.

anonhop · 25/06/2024 07:11

@ForFirmBiscuit a tin of soup or a pot noodle will be enough for lunch in a pinch.
Hopefully someone might have a slice of bread or something at home to go with the soup but if not, it'll stop someone starving until dinner time.
It's someone else's charity. Nobody is entitled to anything from a FB

Vettrianofan · 25/06/2024 07:15

nocoolnamesleft · 24/06/2024 22:47

Food banks shouldn't have to exist. It is the welfare state that is not fit for purpose.

This