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To be pissed off with transport for my SEN child?

218 replies

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 12:18

Urgh. We live 2 miles from SEN autism school. DS14 has been there for 4 years and DH gave up work to look after him when mainstream failed him and he was at home for 2 years. He's doing really well at school now and really thriving. DH really wants to go back to work (and we REALLY need the money). He has been offered a job for September.

  • School transport refused as we live too close. They feel it's appropriate to expect a parent to take him to school and that's not disability discrimination (most 14yos don't have a parent walk them to school). Appeal done and refused.
  • can't pay for school taxi as it's not a guaranteed place and they don't accept applications until after October half term
  • can't pay for a private taxi as all the DBS drivers are doing LEA runs.
  • DS can't walk alone the 4 mile round trip as it's a main road, he's autistic, sensory averse, highly anxious and a flight risk
  • DS can't get the bus alone as it's too cognitively complex (plus anxious / sensory) and involves crossing 2 major roads.

DS is ok in the house for an hour ish pre and post school. He's pretty good / safe in the house. Would be fine getting dressed and waiting for taxi / waiting for me to get home 30 mins after drop off.

But out the house alone - total disaster.

What do we do??

OP posts:
TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 25/06/2024 14:21

Jobsworths · 25/06/2024 09:56

She didn't pick it- the only one around offering the course. My point is all parents and kids have to adapt and there are ways around it rather than just shouting 'but we're entitled! We have a right to this!' Which just doesn't work anymore in a world where we just don't have enough money to support those that might need it.

Comparing a teenager who chose a specific college course to a disabled teenager who has a legal right to access education (including transport) is downright offensive.

Whatsortofrockareyou · 25/06/2024 14:41

Jobsworths · 25/06/2024 08:50

Can't one of you work nights? Then do the morning school run - sleep - then afternoon school run then work? That would be the best option. My in laws did this for years when their 4 kids were little - Mum worked nights and Dad worked days. Then never had to pay for childcare or worry about school runs and they were both NHS now retired- they switched to both doing days once their youngest was 15.

Edited

It isn’t necessarily possible to work nights with a disabled child- it very much depends on their needs.

If you have one who needs care in the night then you end up with one parent who works nights and sleeps all day, fair enough, lots of people do. The other parent however works all day, then can’t sleep sufficiently in the night because someone has to be awake with the disabled person.

If you have 2 parents in the house overnight this can be shared and each gets some sleep, if not then you are in the territory of one parent possibly sleeping an hour here or there until they conk out or looking for overnight carers (the cost of which would likely make it unviable for the night worker to work).

BrumToTheRescue · 25/06/2024 14:58

caffelattetogo · 25/06/2024 13:55

@BrumToTheRescue what 'sounds reasonable' and the law are two very different things.
It's unfair to suggest that OP (abs other parents of children with SEN) aren't getting help because they haven't sent the right letters. Due to government cuts the help is no longer there.

If you actually read the statutory guidance you asked me if I had read, ‘reasonable’ (and reasonably) is actually used in there. It means reasonable and reasonably in the legal sense. Hence me using the word.

It is not unfair to suggest a pre-action letter is the remedy in this situation. Unfortunately, parents of DC with SEN (including me) are well used to needing to enforce DC’s rights because, sadly, DC whose parents know the law and enforce DC’s rights get better support. It shouldn’t be that way, but isn’t going to change in the foreseeable future.

MumApril1990 · 25/06/2024 16:07

@allowstatistical we all must do what we need to for our children whatever their particular needs are. That’s a parents job. Not the councils.

FloofyBird · 25/06/2024 16:16

Except the law says otherwise. If you disagree take it up with the government.

LittleBitAlexisLaLaLaLaLa · 25/06/2024 21:52

This thread is so depressing and frustrating to read. So many people just wilfully (seems like) refusing to understand the OP’s point of view or situation and comparing this situation to parenting a NT, non disabled teenager. Talking about wraparound care. For a teenager. In an SEN setting. As if it’s a given. Sure, that’s a thing 🙄

OP, I really hope you manage to successfully appeal this decision.

Riversideandrelax · 25/06/2024 22:10

x2boys · 25/06/2024 07:54

Do you have a child in a special school?
Because it generally ime at least doesn't work the same way that it does in mainstream because those children will need a lot more support which requires.more staff etc
It's really not the same as a child in mainstream going to chess club or whatever after school.

I was saying that is what it is like in mainstream. My DC can't make use of them because of her SEN. However my nephew is in special school and they do have some limited after school clubs.

I wasn't suggesting it was the same as a child in mainstream going to chess club. However, the OP says that her DC is able to manage on his own at home. Therefore it is possible that he could attend a club if any are available.

Riversideandrelax · 25/06/2024 22:18

allowstatistical · 24/06/2024 14:10

@Beautiful3

When he's 17 and off to college he'll be 3 years older and wiser than he is now. And close to driving age which he will totally be able to do. And that's just a very different time - he may well not even go to college but he is in a placement now.

But fine, I take your point that we shouldn't both expect to work and we should rely on the benefits.

He gets DLA (a few hundred a month - totally compatible with a professional wage we've we've forgone for 6 years to support DS) but that stops in a few years and then any PIP will go to DS. Not sure how that helps cover the lack of income then?

Just a note once they are 16 and get PIP the money doesn't have to go to them. You can apply to continue managing their claim. It works the same way as when you get DLA for them under 16.

Lilacapples · 25/06/2024 23:00

Dontletme · 25/06/2024 10:03

It looks like you are going to have to be realistic about work ie your dh will have return to work when your son is 16.

I had two dc at different special schools with different times. Fortunately they did have taxis but special schools don’t have breakfast club, after school activities, holiday club so the times are rigid and don’t fit around most working hours unless you are very part-time or work from home in a flexible job.

I had a career I loved but I could not continue as I could not make the times work. When eldest dc went to secondary school they finished at 2.30pm!

Same. I went on maternity leave when my disabled son was 6. I just never went back. With another child and all the meetings, appointments regular school pick ups and drop offs due to behaviour etc it just wasn’t feasible to return. Hes 25 now and I still haven’t gone back!

Riversideandrelax · 25/06/2024 23:08

Morph22010 · 25/06/2024 07:59

You clearly don’t understand at all where she is coming from or you wouldn’t have made those suggestions as they aren’t options at special schools

Someone has posted their DC's Special school has breakfast club. My nephew's has after school club. They may not be common by they do exist and worth checking.

And I do understand about taking a secondary age Dc to school as I have to with my own DC. They are able to access breakfast/after school club due to their SEN. I also have to transport my college age DC due to SEN. So yes, I do understand about never being able to wave them off at the front door as they take that step towards independence.

Riversideandrelax · 25/06/2024 23:21

They are not able to access breakfast etc I meant

x2boys · 26/06/2024 04:15

Riversideandrelax · 25/06/2024 23:08

Someone has posted their DC's Special school has breakfast club. My nephew's has after school club. They may not be common by they do exist and worth checking.

And I do understand about taking a secondary age Dc to school as I have to with my own DC. They are able to access breakfast/after school club due to their SEN. I also have to transport my college age DC due to SEN. So yes, I do understand about never being able to wave them off at the front door as they take that step towards independence.

I think the Op would Know if her child's special school has an after school club ,don't you ?
And no they are not common at all ime.

Coatsoff42 · 26/06/2024 06:48

This thread is a great example of
why you cannot expect parents of children with special needs to work normal patterns. It’s just not possible. The barriers are too great. All the people who are usually thinking tax payers money is wasted on supporting parents of disabled/LD children being unemployed should read this and see how hard it is to work.
I really feel for you OP, I can’t see how both parents can work full time in your particular jobs, it seems impossible to be able to care for your son.

Riversideandrelax · 26/06/2024 07:36

x2boys · 26/06/2024 04:15

I think the Op would Know if her child's special school has an after school club ,don't you ?
And no they are not common at all ime.

Where did I say they were common?? I just thought it was worth checking out. No need to bite my head off for just making a suggestion, fgs!!

Westofeasttoday · 25/10/2024 10:26

Lostmymarblesalongtimeago · 24/06/2024 12:49

so much misinformation. The statutory walking distance (which is 2 miles for primary and 3 miles for secondary by the way and not 6 miles) does not apply to students with disabilities. It's all very clear in the transport guidance.

Helpful info. Unfortunately this kid is two miles away so the distance for taxi is still as issue.

Lostmymarblesalongtimeago · 25/10/2024 10:33

Westofeasttoday · 25/10/2024 10:26

Helpful info. Unfortunately this kid is two miles away so the distance for taxi is still as issue.

If the child has SN, the walking distance does not apply. It should be irrelevant unless the child doesn't have disabilities.

thismummydrinksgin · 25/10/2024 10:37

blackwhitegrey · 24/06/2024 15:57

So I've been looking at SENTAS and emailed them, but just looking at this....I tried to prove this in the appeal, why public transport / walking isn't achievable etc. but the LEA have made it all about that he could do public transport with a parent (I never said he could or couldn't in those circs tbh) so no school transport felt needed.

Surely if there was a parent free to go on a bus, you wouldn't be applying for school transport? You could say any child of any distance just needs a parent to drive them?

Surely it's about the child as an individual and their needs compared to a non disabled child of the same age, not the child plus parent as a combo??

I just don't understand?

Is it because you have a car which is funded through mobility? So they are saying they have effectively already funded his transport? I don't think that can be taken into account.

Tulips543 · 25/10/2024 10:53

MumApril1990 · 24/06/2024 14:15

Just what every parent does who needs to drop their child at school, arrange work hours around it or pay for breakfast/ after school club or childminder. The council can’t afford to pay for taxis for every child.

Because of course there are breakfast clubs and afterschool clubs for 14 years olds with special needs! Some people have no idea!!!

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