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Wanting assurances about Women’s Rights, yet debate is often reframed around trans issues - why?

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DissidentDaughter · 23/06/2024 17:19

Ask about women’s sex-based rights and, for some reason, many hosts/moderators and contributors automatically head down the ‘trans rights/gender’ avenue… What’s going on?

51% of the population - a distinct class in our own right - and yet most journalists and TV/radio interviewers struggle to be accurate and focused when announcing the topic.

How credible is the ‘toxic debate’ mantra?

How is it ‘bigotry’ for women to talk about their sex-specific realities and the right to safeguard boundaries and single-sex spaces/services?

Why do many people get offended by the concept of ‘consent’?

  • AIBU - journalists/TV&Radio hosts shouldn’t have to bother about clarity
  • YANBU - journalists/TV&Radio hosts have a duty to understand the distinction between women’s rights and trans issues.
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FlirtsWithRhinos · 24/06/2024 08:30

BeachParty · 23/06/2024 23:56

Why do some women boil down their entire existence to these tired old tropes (or at least try to? (
I'm nearly menopausal, that's not all that is for me being a woman.
If you want to or can only see yourself as bleeding every month or boiling yourself down to worth on your breeding/lactating capacity then crack on.
I feel it in myself, if you don't then Ok.

You've missed the point.

No, these things are not the "entire existence" of women. That's something you read into it. However, they are part of the sum of women's experiences.

We are not background characters with lightly sketched backstories. We are as fully realised as any human and part of that is the way our lives are shaped by our sex. The biological shit that comes with our bodies, the social shit that comes with society's expectations for people with our bodies, it's all part of the experiences and constraints that make us complete people.

Not every women experiences all of this but every woman experiences some of it.

We are fully rounded humans dealing with the experiences of life, some of which are draggy and boring.

The men who claim to be women don't see that this stuff because they base their ideas about women's lives just on the parts they covet. They only see us as ponytails and makeup and skirts and being "feminine" (whatever that is). But for most of us, the time when the ponytails and skirts and being "feminine" is our main concern is pretty short, if it exists at all.

Men who claim to be women, not being actual women who have lived this life since birth, have the luxury of picking and choosing which parts of women's reality they will include in their constructed "woman", and it's noticeable the parts they seem to consider the most important ones are pretty superficial and incidental to how most women live their lives.

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