To think that UK should rejoin EU AND Schengen Area?

[ChirpyBee]

I know UK was never in Schengen, I propose that we rejoin both the EU and join Schengen.

I have waited HOURS at passport control at both ends for the Rotterdam/Hull ferry and it is ridiculous. If someone is ok to be in France/Germany/Netherlands then they're OK to be in the UK - we're not special. The increase in efficiencies would be enormous!

Never mind all the other economic and social benefits being part of the EU would provide, as well as the commonality of regulations and standards - which benefits us allas consumers, never let big business fool you that "red tape" is bad - it's regulation for the greater social good!

Unfortunately the UK population/electorate are too xenophobic and racist for this to happen.

It’s thought to be safer. On reading up on experience I can see why. Staying in camps on the way to UK is incredibly dangerous and horrendous. If you make it here you’ll not be in a camp but have access to medical treatment and a room. The difference sounds pretty stark

If people see the Labour gov as an easier target after the GE and movement here increases what then?

I suspect a sizeable proportion of the public will feel angry, not sure how that will resolve itself over five years

On C4 news they went to a town in Albania where nearly every man had entered the UK illegally to work. They had all travelled across the channel in small boats. The town had done well, of course, but it's a problem for the UK.

if people stopped buying drugs we wouldn’t have half these issues
theres more to organised crime than drugs but it has such a negative impact on our society

Albania was very high but recent policy change ie sending people back has pretty much changed trafficking from there

Look at that peak for Albania!

If you can send people back trafficking pretty much stops

Wow. What an amazing post.

I agree with everything you have said.

The only thing I would add is that there were also a lot of middle class people who could predict the rise of the extreme right that is happening now in Europe and wanted to prevent it happening here and so voted with the working class who were at the sharp end.

I don't know why people keep saying the EU wouldn't have us back in - they've repeatedly said we would be welcome back, but obviously not on the same terms. And that's fine, that's fair.

We need to rejoin the single market as soon as possible to get money back into the country. I'm hoping Labour will start a campaign of the benefits of being part of the EU once they're in, and we can start to move towards going back in within a generation.

Many Albanians have been granted asylum by the Home Office.

The fact is that English is a more widely spoken language than French. Therefore it is often the lingua franca

Huge amounts of Cornwall broadband for example was paid for by the EU. The Cornish people as a whole never knew that.

In Scotland you can see the bridges and tourist attractions that the eu paid for as they have signs up. They didn't do that in England.

And who paid the EU in the first place to allow them to give us back handouts with shiny, blue signs stating paid for by 'the EU'?

That has reduced dramatically if you look at chart below

They won’t be in camps or crossing

Well, I looked at the statistics and they are predominantly economic migrants.
I'm sure there are problems in Albania, but it's not a war zone or similar.

It's like when you give your children money to buy family presents.

I’m married to an ‘economic migrant’ who as a top 1% earner, has paid more UK tax in the last 30 years than he’ll ever take out. Anyway we’re off to continental europe now and will pay taxes there. Brexit fatigue…

However I do wish the UK well and hope it agrees a better future relationship with the EU.

Of course we should, we should never have left. But it’s not going to happen, at least in the short term. Everyone who voted Leave takes responsibility for this shit show.

I went to Italy for work last winter and there was a young (24 year old) Albanian apprentice working for an electrical installation company. His parents were Albanian/Polish and he spoke English (well) Polish and Albanian and as he was living in Italy, Italian as well. He had put the EFFORT into learning 4 languages and embarked in training in Italy on top of his schooling in Albania. With his POSITIVE and enquiring disposition I can only hope he does really well. He is a far cry from the miserable selfish inward looking Brits who seem to be constantly looking for handouts and exceptions.What Brexit is showing is that even with the super 'Brexit freedoms' so many in the UK are sitting around and moaning that their toys have been taken away and the uK government has not dELIVERED on any of the so callled promises.

No I can't because I don't have the specific skills they may want. And even if I did, there are nationals of the other 27 countries plus EEA countries for them to choose from. Why would they pick a UK passport holder when they've got all of those to choose from? Even if I wanted to do something like care work.

I am not rich enough to get in on a wealthy persons visa either.

And am not married to an EEA passport holder!

So no, I can't move to the EU unless I go to Ireland for a few years, get an Irish passport and then move. That would be the only realistic way.