Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women 2?

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@pleasehelpwi3 said it best.

Men’s rights are really important and women’s rights are not important at all. Plus ça change…

I'm not GC and I don't give a toss which toilet or changing room a transwoman uses.

I do care about the near criminal neglect of our public services, the poverty that is getting worse every year, rising homelessness and the lack of affordable housing though, so I will be tactically voting LD as that gives the best chance of ousting the woefully useless oxygen thief that is my Tory MP.

Do you mind men in female sports?

@thefireplace

We as a society aren't providing single sex care and the Tories Brexit fuck up has led to many men from SE Asia coming here to do care work.

was that a sneaky attempt at getting someone to indulge in some racism so you can prove that Sturgeon was right when she said “there are people who have opposed this bill that cloak themselves in women's rights to make it acceptable, but just as they're transphobic you'll also find that they're deeply misogynist, often homophobic, possibly some of them racist as well.”

You don't work at Aston uni by any chance?

Or men in women's prisons?

No they aren't.

They think that women who want a word for themselves or any single sex spaces are horrible bigots and dinosaurs who hoard rights.

As for dealing with the backlog of rape cases, I'll believe it when I see it. You can't just magic up extra money, courtrooms and judges. Then where will they put these convicted rapists? Women's prisons?

Well, you re just spouting the usual scare story Tory line.

Labours actual stated policy is that they want to simplify the process, which is identical to the Tories policy, but Labour will have a consultation, after which there may be changes or they wont be.

So why are you making up things and saying a GRC will be issued after a Zoom call, how can we have a reasoned argument when people lie?

Did Wayne Couzins have a GRC? so the danger to women comes from men, a lack of public services and very poor law enforcement.

So we shouldn't have the ambition to improve things?

The issues you raise have come after 14 years of the tories yet you want another 5 years of these people?

You purport to be in favour of women's rights????

Labours actual stated policy is that they want to simplify the process, which is identical to the Tories policy, but Labour will have a consultation, after which there may be changes or they wont be.

So why are you making up things and saying a GRC will be issued after a Zoom call, how can we have a reasoned argument when people lie?

Labour's policy is that a GRC can be signed off by one GP. That's not lying.

I don’t want another second of Tory rule. I have never voted for them in my 40 years of being able to vote.

I still think Labour are, at best, hopelessly muddled on women’s rights, and agree with everything JKR said.

Did Wayne Couzins have a GRC? so the danger to women comes from men, a lack of public services and very poor law enforcement.

Yes, the danger comes from men. Letting them change legal sex more easily and therefore free reign in women's spaces - how on earth could that be positive for women's safety?

Have you read the Labour policy?

They want to get rid of the panel and have a single doctor approve GRC applications. This doctor will be a specialist in 'gender', highly likely to be practising an 'affirmative ' approach.

It will be the effective introduction of self ID.

No, safeguarding and basic understanding of reality is not "a scare story Tory line." It was left wing women who believe in material reality who first picked up on this, many years ago now, long before it was handed to the Tories by sleepwalking middle class neoliberal lefties who seem to think this is 'the new gay rights' (it's very different). Why do you think safeguarding and an understanding of material reality and the facts are "right wing?" It's not a great indictment of the left if this is the case, tbh.

Once again, for the slow ones at the back, trans women ARE men with regard to crime rates. "The danger comes from men." Yes, it does. Trans women have been shown to have SAME RATES of crime, particularly sexual crime as other men. Not women. When we talk about "men" in the context of the reasons why we had to have single single sex spaces historically, trans women are included in that group. Why on earth do you think some males should be treated as exceptions? Making anyone, especially some males, 'untouchable' with regard to whether or not they're 'safe' hasn't tend to work out well historically, has it? Think priests, sports coaches, scout leaders, celebrities...

Maybe those people talk about the things that are directly affecting them now. Some of us are looking at how the future may look for us/our daughters.

'We will also modernise, simplify, and reform the intrusive and outdated gender recognition law to a new process. We will remove indignities for trans people who deserve recognition and acceptance; whilst retaining the need for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria from a specialist doctor, enabling access to the healthcare pathway.'

Copypaste from Labour manifesto.

I don't know how many times we can repeat the same thing.

This isn't about "trans women." It's about WOMEN'S legal rights under the equality act, particularly to boundaries and single sex spaces when we need them. Not to mention being protected and recognised as a group in law. This is being dismantled by those who want "trans women" (males) and their wishes to take priority over women's safety and rights and all the gains made from legislation to protect women's rights in previous decades. It's about women's safety and rights, not to mention issues around the irreversible medicalisation of gender non-conformity which has been happening under the auspices of "gender". That people aren't necessarily mentioning "trans women" does not mean it is not going to matter when all their rights have been taken away without consultation.

Well, quite, @hihelenhi

Every time Starmer is asked about women, he answers the question as if it were asked about men.

“do you agree with Rosie Duffield?”
”I agree with Tony Blair!” - without being able to articulate what is materially different about “only women have a cervix” (wrong/toxic/should not be said) and “women have a vagina” (I agree with this very reasonable man)

“should women be allowed to keep single sex spaces”
”dignity for blokes etc etc etc. safe spaces !!! BE KIND YOU TOXIC BITCHES”

Absolutely! Women's Rights are Human Rights. Once they are being respected as such and children are adequately safeguarded I'll support anyone to identify however they wish.

“do you agree with Rosie Duffield?”
”I agree with Tony Blair!”

Why is it Tony is allowed to say he thinks men have penises and be congratulated for it, but Rosie gets shunned?

I'm not sure I'll ever be over this moment. Pure Labour misogyny, laid bare.

@thefireplace except I didn't say trans women carers would abuse female service users or imply that in the slightest. I said that service providers, due to hard pushed resourses would ignore service users individual care plans and requests for same sex care by allocating a "woman member of staff" if requested . It happens already. Under Self Id , a biological male who is identify as a trans woman will classed as woman. Just because you are okay with that, you should respect that not every woman or girl accepts that person to give them intimate care . They don't think will abuse or molest them, but they just feel embarassed or scared or have their reasons for it . Some men have refused me to wash them in my many years in care, particularly some older bachelor men. It's about THEM . THEIR NEEDS . Not the workers . It's not personal.

No one wants to listen to women, maybe it's because we're all whiney? If Rosie took a course of testosterone it would make her voice more authoritive and then he'd listen.

This.

The shit is hitting the fan for Starmer on this ...good. Thank god for JKR!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13558749/Sir-Keir-Starmer-female-JK-Rowling-Labour.html#comments

The concept of having a 'legal' sex that is different to your biological sex is such errant nonsense that absolutely no one should be giving it the time of day.