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Will my DH have given DS food poisoning?

176 replies

BBQbarbie · 22/06/2024 17:21

We’ve got some cold chicken legs - ready to eat in the fridge. DS (5) said he doesn’t like them cold, my DH decided to warm them up in the air fryer for a few minutes then gave to DS. He’s now eaten them. I’ve come downstairs and he’s told me this and I’m not impressed. DH said because they’re fine to eat cold then it won’t be a problem. But I thought chicken needed to be cooked through to piping hot, even if it’s ready to eat.

OP posts:
Megifer · 22/06/2024 18:40

WimbyAce · 22/06/2024 18:33

No I wasn't taught it. I do always heat to piping hot though and have never poisoned anyone so I think I'm OK.
I saw further up someone saying about not reheating chicken at all but they have those cold chicken buffet bits you can buy and they def say eat hot or cold!

I've honestly just realised I've never 'taught' DC this so I'm surprised he knows, I'm not asking him how he knows right now it sounds like he's just lost a boss battle on something so he'll just grunt anyway 🙄

oakleaffy · 22/06/2024 18:41

AllLopsided · 22/06/2024 18:35

@oakleaffy I can't quote you, but... the millions of us using leftover roast chicken (cooked correctly at home and cooled and refrigerated in good time) to make chicken curry/stir fry/chicken and mushroom pie the next day (or God forbid, two days later) are all living dangerously, even if the chicken is reheated to a sufficiently high temperature? My mum is 80 and has been doing this her whole life; I am 57 and have also been doing this since I started cooking for myself. No one has had food poisoning from it. In fact my mum served turkey and ham pie to 15 every Boxing Day for as long as i can remember. Pretty sure reheating leftovers has been a thing since leftovers existed. My mind is boggling.

I am probably very paranoid about leftovers after having what I assumed to be food poisoning once {But could have been norovirus}

I was wrong about the OP's leftovers..{Edit...they weren't leftovers but 'ready to eat as PP said}. they do indeed say to eat hot or cold if the barbecue type.

Mum does put these chicken cooked pieces in a stir fry and none of us have ever been ill from them to date. {Touch wood} - She's 85! and a War Baby so is really anti waste...Not kidding, she has a jar of honey in her cupboard that goes back ten years that she won't throw away- that no one uses!

Waitrose Rotisserie chicken they always say ''Eat same day and to never re-heat''... {I only buy a half , or quarter chicken from them for this reason}

WimbyAce · 22/06/2024 18:41

I am also one of those that reheats rice which I know is iffy.

SeriaMau · 22/06/2024 18:44

HollyKnight · 22/06/2024 18:19

It depends on the bacteria. It depends on how many bacteria are present to start with. It depends on how long between the food coming out of the fridge and being eating it. It depends on the immune system of the person eating the food.

Not heating food properly does increase the risk of food poisoning.

I agree bacterial doubling time at 20 minutes was a generalisation. The rest of your post is wrong.

newusern99 · 22/06/2024 18:46

So the reason the say to reheat leftovers thoroughly is that “they” have no idea how long you left your cooked food siting on the counter before putting it in the fridge. Theoretically if you left it for hours some bacteria might start to grow. If there was enough of them when you eat it from the fridge you might get food poisoning. The same if you don’t reheat thoroughly.
however, if you are talking about a product you bought at the supermarket ready to eat cold it doesn’t matter if you only warm it and then eat straight away. If you warmed it a bit but then didn’t eat it for three hours the bacteria might have multiplied enough to give you food poisoning as the warming gave them a head start.
mid you eat it straight away it doesn’t matter.
If I am reheating leftovers occasionally they are not heated all the way through (mainly as our microwave doesn’t have a turntable). Haven’t got food poisoning yet.

I am constantly trying to explain to MIL that nothing magic happens to food in the freezer to make it poisonous. She is obsessed with having to eat up all the defrosted and cooked food in one go and not putting any back in the fridge for another day.

TooLateForRoses · 22/06/2024 18:47

MultiplaLight · 22/06/2024 17:52

He'll be fine.

I'd divorce my partner if they told me to go on a food hygiene course, what shit advice.

Why? They are very useful

TooLateForRoses · 22/06/2024 18:49

Differentstarts · 22/06/2024 18:08

What are we not supposed to do this I aways chuck mcdonalds in the airfryer for a few minutes when it's delivered to warm it up

That's disgusting

oakleaffy · 22/06/2024 18:49

WimbyAce · 22/06/2024 18:41

I am also one of those that reheats rice which I know is iffy.

Bloody hell, Wimby, you live dangerously! {Like my 85 yr old mum!}

My brothers and I are always checking the sell by and use by dates at her house- and she says that she has so far {Touch wood long may it continue} never been ill from food poisoning with food she has prepared.

I used to think rice and pasta was ''Safe'' but it really isn't.

Grammarnut · 22/06/2024 18:50

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 22/06/2024 17:23

Why would warming something that's perfectly edible cold be a problem?! The heat won't have transported bacteria into it!

Warming something that is ready to eat cold, allows bacteria to grow in the warmth. If properly heated through -i.e. piping hot - the bacteria are killed. That's why it is dangerous.

butterpuffed · 22/06/2024 18:51

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 22/06/2024 17:57

You learn something every day! Probably lucky my left over chicken always belongs to the dogs 😂

I have a packet of sliced cooked chicken in the fridge . It says can be eaten cold or heated in the microwave .

diddl · 22/06/2024 18:52

WimbyAce · 22/06/2024 18:41

I am also one of those that reheats rice which I know is iffy.

Me too.

If I have a takeaway on a Sat & it's too much it gets reheated for Mon lunch!

TooLateForRoses · 22/06/2024 18:53

WimbyAce · 22/06/2024 18:41

I am also one of those that reheats rice which I know is iffy.

It's not just iffy it could kill you

TooLateForRoses · 22/06/2024 18:53

diddl · 22/06/2024 18:52

Me too.

If I have a takeaway on a Sat & it's too much it gets reheated for Mon lunch!

Gross

allmyown · 22/06/2024 18:54

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 22/06/2024 17:23

Why would warming something that's perfectly edible cold be a problem?! The heat won't have transported bacteria into it!

no but there will be bacteria in it, and warming it up like this would have sent the bacteria into over drive - seriously very bad practice. if you are heating food, you heat it until the bacteria are killed, not just until they are supercharged.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 22/06/2024 18:54

butterpuffed · 22/06/2024 18:51

I have a packet of sliced cooked chicken in the fridge . It says can be eaten cold or heated in the microwave .

I don't give it to the dog because I don't think I should eat it, it's the way they look at me!! Sunday roast day is their favourite day 😬

BirthdayRainbow · 22/06/2024 18:55

BBQbarbie · 22/06/2024 17:35

I don’t know if it reached that temp as it only went in the air fryer for a couple of minutes and he didn’t check the temperature.

But they were already cooked...

PoopingAllTheWay · 22/06/2024 18:56

Has to be hot, not just ‘warm’

Catza · 22/06/2024 18:56

samarrange · 22/06/2024 18:05

Think about it this way.

It's fine to eat the chicken cold. It has been cooked and there are no nasty bacteria left. (Raw chicken is risky because the bacteria in it need to be killed by cooking. But cold cooked chicken is fine up until the sell-by date.)

It's also fine to eat the chicken hot.

So suppose DH had put it in the air fryer for one second. It would still be fine, right?
Two seconds? Fine. Yes? Two seconds of heating it can't hurt.
Five seconds? Fine. Yes?
And so on.

For there to be a problem, there has to be some temperature between 4°C and 75°C at which, suddenly, the chicken becomes dangerous. Which there isn't. The chicken doesn't know that it's been in the air fryer for "less time than it should".

If the food is safe when it's cold, it's safe when it's hot, and it's safe when it's warm. There is no point in between at which it suddenly and immediately becomes dangerous. If chicken went bad that quickly, you'd have to throw away a meal that got a bit tepid because you had to answer the phone. In fact there would be huge disclaimers on it: "Once heated, eat within 3 minutes".

(Obviously you don't heat it up and then leave it on the windowsill for a week.)

The confusion arises because the food manufacturers have standard texts that the health authorities (not unreasonably) make them put on everything. It's a bit like having to put "Warning: Contains peanuts" on a packet of peanuts.

Something similar happens with frozen food. "Never re-freeze food once it's defrosted" is generally solid advice. But if you buy chicken breast fillet on the 5th of the month that has a use-by of the 18th, then freeze it on the 6th, defrost it on the 7th, change your mind and freeze it again on the 8th, then defrost and cook it on the 9th, it isn't going to turn into plutonium.

Now now, you can't just come to MN and write a sensible post like that! I'm sure it is against the platform rules, or something 😂

oakleaffy · 22/06/2024 18:58

diddl · 22/06/2024 18:52

Me too.

If I have a takeaway on a Sat & it's too much it gets reheated for Mon lunch!

That's crazy!
Please don't say it has chicken in it as well....

Maybe some people's immune systems are better than others, but people have died from rice and pasta being reheated.

Here is an {American} guide to rice and leftovers for those that may want to know

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322775

Can you reheat rice? Tips for preventing food poisoning

People often believe it is unsafe to reheat rice. This is because certain bacteria in rice can survive the cooking process. In fact, it is safe to eat reheated rice if it is cooked, stored, and reheated correctly. In this article, we discuss the best w...

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322775

MoMo999 · 22/06/2024 18:58

newusern99 · 22/06/2024 18:46

So the reason the say to reheat leftovers thoroughly is that “they” have no idea how long you left your cooked food siting on the counter before putting it in the fridge. Theoretically if you left it for hours some bacteria might start to grow. If there was enough of them when you eat it from the fridge you might get food poisoning. The same if you don’t reheat thoroughly.
however, if you are talking about a product you bought at the supermarket ready to eat cold it doesn’t matter if you only warm it and then eat straight away. If you warmed it a bit but then didn’t eat it for three hours the bacteria might have multiplied enough to give you food poisoning as the warming gave them a head start.
mid you eat it straight away it doesn’t matter.
If I am reheating leftovers occasionally they are not heated all the way through (mainly as our microwave doesn’t have a turntable). Haven’t got food poisoning yet.

I am constantly trying to explain to MIL that nothing magic happens to food in the freezer to make it poisonous. She is obsessed with having to eat up all the defrosted and cooked food in one go and not putting any back in the fridge for another day.

That has always been my understanding

WimbyAce · 22/06/2024 18:59

TooLateForRoses · 22/06/2024 18:53

It's not just iffy it could kill you

I have googled it before as I did have a panic but it does seem to suggest that it is ok to reheat rice? I do nuke it and not had any problems to date..........Just hate waste tbh

TooLateForRoses · 22/06/2024 19:00

WimbyAce · 22/06/2024 18:59

I have googled it before as I did have a panic but it does seem to suggest that it is ok to reheat rice? I do nuke it and not had any problems to date..........Just hate waste tbh

You have no idea how it was cooked first time round

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 22/06/2024 19:01

Threads like these actually have me wondering how the fuck some people get through life.

Catza · 22/06/2024 19:02

WimbyAce · 22/06/2024 18:41

I am also one of those that reheats rice which I know is iffy.

Same. I lived in Asia and everyone is reheating their rice. In fact, advice in the UK is that rice should be cooled down immediately after cooking. There is no advice that it shouldn't be reheated and yet there is this bizarre belief that it is a no no. In fact, microwavable rice is sold in every shop in the country and I bet quite a few people on here are buying it without giving it a second thought.

WimbyAce · 22/06/2024 19:02

TooLateForRoses · 22/06/2024 19:00

You have no idea how it was cooked first time round

It is rice I have cooked, in a risotto for example.

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