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To think farage is Putin's lapdog and is undermining britain

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Teleguard · 22/06/2024 09:00

Farage was the main mover behind Brexit which weakened the UK and EU which led to Putin thinking he could stroll into Ukraine and pose his own will. Farage had a programme on the Russian TV channel RT so we know he was happy to take russian money.

Brexit also undermined the post WWII spirit in Europe so to hear farage lecturing rishi sunak on dday was particularly ironic.

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IcecreamWhatSandwich · 22/06/2024 09:01

There are lots of reasons to dislike Farage, but I personally don't think this is a real one.

x2boys · 22/06/2024 09:03

That a very tenuous link .

Nesbi · 22/06/2024 09:15

I think we (the West) are in danger of losing the “inoculation” effect of the first and second world wars.

People seem less able to recognise how the Nationalist tendencies shown by the likes of Farage, combined with their absolute love of the “strong man” dictatorial behaviours epitomised by the likes of Putin, lead down dangerous roads.

We should be able to see right through him and his rhetoric, and it is dispiriting that there are people out there who apparently don’t.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 22/06/2024 09:16

You are unreasonable, because Britain deserves a capital letter.

MoonshineSon · 22/06/2024 09:17

I agree in part. But above all Farage is only really concerned about Farage.
No doubt he is getting money from Putin to do these things but literally everything he does is to benefit himself.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 22/06/2024 09:18

Yep. The man is a self-seeking bastard who puts his own interests before that of his country each and every time.

Whether that's NF or VP I leave it for you to decide.

lavenderlou · 22/06/2024 09:18

I don't imagine Putin gives Farage much thought at all. He's hardly an important global figure. Have they ever even met?

I think Farage's comments will be unpopular even among some of his supporters.

Nappyvalley15 · 22/06/2024 09:19

YANBU

Calling · 22/06/2024 09:19

"Farage was the main mover behind Brexit which weakened the UK and EU which led to Putin thinking he could stroll into Ukraine and pose his own will. "

There is no link. No, that was not the reason. Putin had intended to invade Ukraine for ages before, for various totally unrelated reasons.

CrimsonStar · 22/06/2024 11:05

Tell me you don’t understand politics without telling you don’t understand politics.

War in Ukraine and Brexit are totally unrelated. Thinking the whole world rotates around Great Britain is silly. Most of the people from Russia don’t even know what Brexit is.
And I’m sure N. Farage has nothing to do with Putin. I find it funny how some people in the UK think Putin is related to everything going on in Britain. Maybe he is to blame for NHS waiting lists and illegal immigration too…

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2024 11:18

Some year ago there was a wonderful movie about Cambridge Analytica, it "The Great Hack", I'd strongly recommend watching.

Do your googling about party donations to Farage and links of those donors with Russia.
Google about Dom Cummings admiration of Russia.

And then - google list of major donations to Labour, e.g. Dale Vince who continued his business with Gazprom

llamarammma · 22/06/2024 11:54

I think he is a grifter, like his friend Boris.

Paul2023 · 22/06/2024 23:31

I think Britain has undermined itself with out any help from Farage.

Hes said some home truths, he admired him as an operator which he said before the war.

Be honest. The west are scared of Putin. Labour and the Tories are scared of him.

No one in government has anything of any substance to say to stop Putin , they all just dance around him and hope he’ll go away.

Putin has took the piss out of Britain since the poisonings , in fact there’s been several.

And the UK did nothing , apart from say a few empty words.

Theyre scared of Russia.

MissMoneyFairy · 23/06/2024 10:01

Labour and Conservative are both deliberately misinterpreting what he said, they are both trying to undermine him as they know he will take votes, everyone was quite happy to accept Russian and Chinese money in the property market.

Februaryfeels · 23/06/2024 10:05

Paul2023 · 22/06/2024 23:31

I think Britain has undermined itself with out any help from Farage.

Hes said some home truths, he admired him as an operator which he said before the war.

Be honest. The west are scared of Putin. Labour and the Tories are scared of him.

No one in government has anything of any substance to say to stop Putin , they all just dance around him and hope he’ll go away.

Putin has took the piss out of Britain since the poisonings , in fact there’s been several.

And the UK did nothing , apart from say a few empty words.

Theyre scared of Russia.

Edited

Scared of the nuclear weapons he has

Februaryfeels · 23/06/2024 10:07

OP. You are right. Farage is a lapdog. Or there is kompromat

Walkingtheplank · 23/06/2024 10:16

Farage is an awful self-serving man, and I strongly think the media have helped him to the detriment of our country.

The BBC especially gave him daily airtime during the coalition government which left Cameron no choice but to promise a referendum. Then the media continued the publicity and Brexit was the outcome. One of my concerns about Brexit was that it would weaken Europe (which weakens our safety) and pander to Putin. The media never seemed to discuss this point.

The media are all over him again. I suppose it's thought that the news items write themselves and its what people want, but the TV goes off in our house when he's on.

It looks like Reform will beat the Tories and make up our Opposition. If we thought politics had sunk low, we probably have much further to fall with the polarisation of the House of Commons.

Putin must be loving this latest course of events. We'll have a Government with a huge majority, which is not great whichever party it is, and an opposition led by Farage who will be working in his own best interests.

Kovus · 23/06/2024 10:21

Lapdog is not the right word. Puppet fits better. Farage is dangerous because he is stupid and unaware of the long term consequences to this nation of his actions.

What will undermine Britain is the gradual erosion of democracy which is the aim of Putin and other autocratic regimes around the world. Less than 20% of world population lives in a fully functioning democracy. It is getting worse. Even the US has issues with political polarisation. The freedoms which we have have been won with significant loss of life over the 20th Century. That was a century that is like the Dark Ages for many younger people today.

Walkingtheplank · 23/06/2024 10:27

It's not that he doesn't understand the consequences, it's more that he doesn't care, as long as his bank balance and privilege is maintained.

Traditionally it's said that he says what a lot of people are thinking, which I suspect is true. But the words on Ukraine are surely not what people think - well I really hope not anyway.

Renamed · 23/06/2024 10:28

Yeah, he’s not really consistent with his patriotism is he? I think the only genuine thing about him is his love for authoritarian right wing types. Previously he said he’d take no part in this election campaign but would go to the US to support Trump. I imagine Trump had forgotten who Farage is (as he’s basically nobody) hence his decision to stand after all, so now he’s waving his knickers at Putin. Big thrills and lots of telly appearances talking about how important he is. I doubt he said anything significant about Russia in the European Parliament as he and all UKIP MEPs were notorious for never bothering to show up.

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ll09sm · 23/06/2024 10:33

It’s naive to think that that this is a west good and Russia bad story. This is a ‘they’re all in bed together to rip off ordinary people’.

2 years after the invasion who is actually winning. Big energy and big defence. One day the war will be over, just like that and the world will move only the next crisis with money taxed and borrowed in the ordinary people’s name to be funnelled to other big industries lobbying major governments.

The same happened when Iraq was invaded in search of mom existent WMDs. Big defence won. When the financial crash happened in 2008 which was wholly manufactured by central banks and financial regulators. Big finance won, and are winning to this day. The same happened when a an illness that impacted only the old or those with core morbities was used to funnel billion to big pharma.

It’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s just how it always works out. Follow the money.

eurochick · 23/06/2024 10:40

People are utterly naive if they don't think that anything that weakens the EU is not helpful to Russia. And that Russia would support it. Whether Farage has photo opportunities or not Russia was definitely supportive of Brexit and Russian bots were sowing discontent with the EU on social media, which helped Farage's campaign.

TheChipmunkSong · 26/06/2024 07:22

It is amaaazing how British society is gullible when it comes to Russian misinformation. Say thanks to Putin for Brexit