To think women with 3+ kids should pay less taxes

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All parties will have to deal with the increasing number of old people and low fertility rate. They use this fact to justify big numbers of net migration. I was wondering if we as a country should actively provide economical benefits for women to have more than one child? In some countries like Singapore there are a lot of economic incentives to have more than 2 kids. I have 3 kids myself and I don't know anyone in my friendship group who would have more than 2. In fact, most don't want to have even one child citing economical reasons.

AIBU?

I think it would make more sense to have the state provide free and excellent childcare for all.

Your policy favours the wealthy.

The more children you have, the more public services you're using.

The more children you have will create more future tax payers.

No, they are using up more services so don’t deserve a tax break. There are enough people in the world and we have enough immigration to deal with a falling birth rate.

As if those that are unable to conceive need to be punished further.

Why penalise those who don't have children? Don't they get penalised enough?

That doesn't make sense though, as the more children you have the more publicly funded services that will be used.

Falling birth rates are better addressed by a wider spread of children.

Also, population growth needs to slow down. It's going to cause problems and hardship while a new equilibrium is reached, but the human population cannot continue rising the rate it is.

mmm, Inthibknwe have a while to go before we start bringing in policies that facists favoured… or maybe we should start handing out medals at 4+ medals like the Nazi party did to women procreating for the fatherland??

I have 3. We use way more resources than families w no or just one child. No way should we pay lower tax.

BUT, there should be low low cost childcare available to all, inc wrap around.

In fact, most don't want to have even one child citing economical reasons.

Well paying a bit less tax isn't going to make any difference then, is it?

What if they emigrate and therefore their taxes don’t directly benefit the UK economy? Should the parents have to refund what they didn’t pay in tax?

The world is overpopulated what you are I proposing won't have the impact you envisage.

Those who are successful can rarely take three maternities without impacting their career.

Why would society treat those with children differently to those without.

This. Encouraging women to have more babies via tax savings means that those with highest earnings benefit most. Benefits are also not the answer - we don't want to incentivise young women to have no goals beyond being a baby making machine. But if there is excellent free state childcare and excellent state schooling available to all, there are a lot fewer barriers when a woman is deciding whether or not to have another baby.

Wouldn't heavily subsidised, year round childcare be more useful? If you're paying tax, it means you've returned to work. Childcare, especially in school holidays, must be difficult. A tax break would just be spent on childcare, wouldnt it, and would only really benefit those earning lots of money already. Affordable year round childcare works for all income families and looks after everyone. It's pretty selfish to only think of yourself.

Just allow more immigration. The world is hugely overpopulated. Why do we need British babies are they superior in anyway?

Your choice to have three kids, why should you get incentives, I think it's a bloody cheek.
You are no better with these views than someone who is on benefits who has 5 or 6 kids. If they were to say they wanted more people would be raging.
Why do you think you are special?

Singapore is one of the most expensive places to raise a child on the planet. Far more expensive than London. That’s why the ‘baby bonus’ exists - because cost was the single reason for Singaporean parents to stop at 1 baby. So they decided to incentivise more births. At some points the average age of first childbirth was 35 for women.

Bear in mind that illegitimate children and those of immigrants don’t count even though, as a population, both is increasing in Singapore.

This is not and will never be the case for the UK as there isn’t a political will to incentivise childbirth to benefit those populations who currently produce the most children (ie BAME).

But I do agree with you. I’m infertile. I would have loved to have received potentially unlimited discounted or free ivf cycles like some countries provide, free postnatal care, discounted childcare. But until we move away from the model of the welfare state (which means all benefits are prioritised to people who contribute least to the economy) it will never happen.

There is some merit to the idea that boosting the birthrate is better done by encouraging existing parents to have 1 extra child rather than trying to encourage child free people to have kids. Lots of people are child free by choice and wouldn't want kids no matter what, but plenty of people with 1 or 2 children would like another, but don't because of cost.

Not sure tax breaks is the correct mechanism tho.

Oh good, now my taxes will also be judged on my fertility (or lack thereof).

Great idea 👍

Any tax changes for the dads? Or is it just us wimmin that have failed to produce a suitable number of offspring to please the masses?

Low birth rate is a good thing, it isn’t a bad thing that needs to be fixed. We need global population to stabilise and if we leave well enough alone, we will be at zero growth by 2100 per the UN population projections.

We don’t need governments to dictate the number of children or incentivise/disincentivise childbearing. The only governments doing that are very conservative, right wing governments in global minority countries worried their ethnicity will be slowly made extinct due to really outlandish conspiracy theories.

I'm in favour of child benefit for all children, and the rate of that being increased. Although fewer taxes is sort of the other side of the coin, it doesn't feel fair or right imo. However irrational, emotionally people are more comfortable with extra benefits for each child, rather than the mother/parent/whatever etc paying less tax. People who can't have children are often okay with the latter, but get offended at the former, especially if they can't have children.

Climate migration will offset any reduced birthrates there are. Using financial incentives to add more people to an already overpopulated planet is a terrible idea. Money should be spent on integrating and educating the migrant population that is already here and those arriving. I think it's more beneficial to look at things from a one planet type of perspective than looking at it from a one country perspective. We will all have to share the forever shrinking habitable areas there are.

Yes, this.

I'd like to see the stats but would hazard a guess that a large proportion of women with 3 or more children are either SAHMs or working part time and therefore likely paying very little income tax as it is. So which tax would you see it as viable to reduce for this group?

I agree but i dont think a small tax break would make much difference. Unplanned childlessness is the biggest issue with falling populations.

Most mothers are still having 2.5 kids, the big issue is unplanned childlessness, with many more people not having kids at all - around 80% of childless people would have wanted kids.

Low birth rates are a huge long term issue as a smaller and smaller workforce paying for an aging population.

Migration doesn't really work long term because other countries have declining birth rates. Plus we're contributing to the brain drain in those countries which is a big issue there - they train up doctors and nurses and then they leave.