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Childcare when not working

38 replies

Unreasonableexpectation · 19/06/2024 09:27

Looking for some outside opinions here, particularly those that counter my own to try to help me to be less annoyed at the situation.

DH and I normally both work full time - I do my hours over 4 days with 1 full day off, he does his over 4.5 days with one afternoon off. Neither of us work weekends.

We have 2 DS (7 and 2). DS1 goes to school and then attends afterschool 4 days a week and is picked up by DH on his afternoon off. DS2 goes to nursery 3.5 days a week and on my day off we go on day trips etc, and on DH afternoon off is picked up from nursery at lunchtime.

It’s rapidly approaching the summer holidays, and while DS1s afterschool care is a regular provision, the holiday care has to be booked on a day by day basis. We can book for the whole summer just now, it’s just that we have to specify each individual date, and are only charged for the dates he goes (unlike the term time provision where it’s the days of the week that are booked, and if we chose not to send him any of his normal days we still get charged). Afterschool have already advised that they don’t have the numbers to run on the day that’s usually DHs half day, so he will have to have DS1 for the full day those days. We also won’t send him on my days off, he’ll be with me. DS2s nursery is year round so not really relevant to the conversation other than to provide the full context.

DH is a contractor and has recently found out that his contract is not being extended. He had previously been told that it would so had turned down a previous job offer and now doesn’t have anything else lined up. He’s been applying for jobs since he found out, but nothing has come of it so far.

Here’s where the difference of opinion lies. I asked DH what we were going to do about holiday club given he won’t be working. He did not respond well. He was angry at me “suddenly filling his diary” and that he would have “things to do” although didn’t specify what. Obviously he will be looking for a new job, but I’m struggling to see how that can be equivalent to a full time job.

As mentioned, DH will have to look after DS1 on the day that afterschool /holiday club isn’t running, and I will have him on my day off and DH intends to join us on these days for some family time, but other than that he thinks that we should put him into afterschool.

For the sake of full disclosure, DS1 did continue to go to nursery and subsequently afterschool while I was on mat leave, and goes to aferschool on my days off because I want to give DS2 the opportunities and experiences that his brother had when he was younger. Taking him out of nursery when DS2 was born would have meant that I couldn’t have taken DS2 to all the baby classes, and having to be back home for school pickup time would severely limit the daytrips I could take him on. I don’t think the same argument of fairness applies here.

DH thinks I’m being unreasonable expecting him to look after DS1 more than the 2 days that he wouldn’t have been going to afterschool anyway and thinks I’m being unsupportive in even suggesting it. I think he’s being unreasonable to expect that him not working would have no impact on the childcare arrangements.

Keen to hear all views on it. Realistically if he refuses then I’ve got no choice but to put him into holiday club, so it would be nice to have some alternative viewpoints that support that approach to help me not feel so annoyed about it.

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Unreasonableexpectation · 20/06/2024 01:15

Anyone?

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caffelattetogo · 20/06/2024 03:03

It's a chance to spend time with his children. Why outsource that?

MariaVT65 · 20/06/2024 03:09

Your husband being a twat.

And you don’t have to justify sending DS1 to nursery while you were on mat leave.

Overthebow · 20/06/2024 05:54

Could you both compromise and put DS in for club for another day or two a week?

Iorderedyouapancake · 20/06/2024 06:00

If he’s a contractor new roles are likely to need to start at short notice- if you don’t book summer care now is it likely you’ll be able to still get them a place if he suddenly needs to start a new job on eg August 1st?

MollyRover · 20/06/2024 06:00

I would say he's a bit stressed about finding work. Maybe he's thinking what if he finds a job and there's no childcare in place?

Intheband · 20/06/2024 06:04

Can you afford to put him in childcare or would you be better saving that cost seeing as DH is not working?

HelpMebeok · 20/06/2024 06:08

Maybe he's wanting to fill in applications arrange interviews etc on those days. What if he gets a job that starts fairly quickly ?

Dontsparethehorses · 20/06/2024 06:09

How likely is it that if you don’t book childcare now that you will be in a situation that dh has a job and you don’t have anything booked? If you can book closer to the time that would be a compromise. If dh is not working can you afford to send him 3 days? I imagine dh is hoping that he will have work sorted by the summer?

rwalker · 20/06/2024 06:11

He’s looking for a job and it would make him unavailable for 6 weeks

I think work is the priority send DS

Simonjt · 20/06/2024 06:13

As he’s a contractor when he finds work it is likely going to be a very short time frame before he starts. As the summer scheme will likely be booked up, what will then be available for childcare if he has a new job to start? Can you take unpaid leave? Can a relative offer childcare? It seems short sighted to not be available to work, when looking for work.

Flittingaboutagain · 20/06/2024 06:15

I've got a bit confused by the term after-school but I think you're basically asking about whether to send your eldest to a holiday club even though your husband isn't working?

I didn't send my toddler anywhere on mat leave and firmly believe that outsourcing parenting to anyone but family isn't great for young children unless necessary. So I think your husband should look after your children...but presumably he'll need to be able to attend interviews? How will this work in practice or if he gets a job at short notice?

TCMcK · 20/06/2024 06:19

I think this whole situation is terrible. I couldn’t be with someone who got stressed and angry at the thought of spending time with his own children. Also, I don’t understand why you still send your son to after school club on your day off?

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 20/06/2024 06:21

So what happens for interviews or if he gets a job short notice?

I have just brought 2 contractors in. One starred 3 days after we selected them.

Bournetilly · 20/06/2024 06:22

How much notice would he have if he found another job? They might need him to start asap.

I think you should compromise and put DS in holiday club 1 or 2 days each week. It gets hard to entertain them for weeks over the holidays anyway so it’ll be good for him to spend time with other children.

Also I think sending your child to afterschool club on your day off is relevant to this. Sending them during mat leave is fair enough but there’s no need for him to go to afterschool club so that you can enjoy longer days out with your other son.

converseandjeans · 20/06/2024 06:26

I think you are happy to use after school club when it suits you. But expect DH to not use it. Do you use holiday club on your day off in school hols?

Won't you have a holiday or is the plan to send DS to holiday club all summer? I feel a bit sorry for him if he has 6 weeks essentially still in school/organised fun.

Personally I would use after school & holiday club as little as possible. I think children like being home to relax. However if you don't book a place you might have nothing if DH gets some work.

MrMotivatorsLeotard · 20/06/2024 06:27

I don’t think it’s particularly fair to send a child to childcare when a parent is at home unless the child absolutely loves going and it’s a treat for them to go.

But you did the same thing when you were on mat leave so I don’t think you’re really in a position to judge. I think it’s a bit of a shame that he doesn’t want to spend that time with your son though.

Cornflakes44 · 20/06/2024 06:30

Men are often very outraged by the idea of having to do more childcare than women. Happy for us to do it though. I think it depends on why he doesn't think he should do it. If it's about you 'filling his time' and him wanting his summer off then no it's not reasonable. But if he thinks it's likely he'll get another role quickly and you'll be stuck for childcare then that seems fair enough. But he should be able to have this conversation in a civilised way rather than getting defensive with you.

IceCreamWoes · 20/06/2024 06:34

Does it need to be an all or nothing approach? A day or two at holiday club, day with you, two days with your husband. He has 3 days to look for work. You keep costs down while he isn't working. As long as you can get last min cover if he needs to work at short notice of course.

Blahblah34 · 20/06/2024 06:39

find a holiday club with more flexibility?

can’t believe you sent your eldest to after school club 4 days a week when he was in reception and you were at home with your youngest though!

Everydayimhuffling · 20/06/2024 06:42

If he's likely to get contract work and need the childcare then I would make sure it was in place. If not, I would probably send DC1 in 2 days a week. 1 day with everyone home, 2 days with his dad, 2 days for your DP to have to himself. That seems a fair balance for everyone.

spriots · 20/06/2024 06:43

I am not someone who thinks childcare is an intrinsically bad thing so I say this without judgement but it sounds like you use a fair amount of "unnecessary" childcare:

Nursery during mat leave - I did this too and don't think it is a bad thing

After school club for your older one on your day off - a more unusual choice

But your DH doesn't do that - he has both kids on his half day off. It sounds like normally he either has both or is working

So I guess I would say - if he hasn't questioned your use of additional childcare, I think you should return the favour and not query his.

I mean I agree with you that using holiday childcare - except for the odd day break - when when of you isn't working is a strange choice but then I also think it is a strange choice for you to use after school club on a day when you don't work so..

Sirzy · 20/06/2024 06:57

How long is it likely to be to find a new job and start? I would be cautious about cancelling childcare when he will hopefully soon have work

CatMumSlave · 20/06/2024 07:02

I couldn't send my child to nursery / childcare while I was at home I'd feel too guilty. Especially if I already had one child at home.

ThatsGoingToHurt · 20/06/2024 07:13

Tell him it would be wonderful to have summer off with the children! he doesn’t want to do it as he has mentally planned a whole 6 weeks of fannying around.