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Childcare when not working

38 replies

Unreasonableexpectation · 19/06/2024 09:27

Looking for some outside opinions here, particularly those that counter my own to try to help me to be less annoyed at the situation.

DH and I normally both work full time - I do my hours over 4 days with 1 full day off, he does his over 4.5 days with one afternoon off. Neither of us work weekends.

We have 2 DS (7 and 2). DS1 goes to school and then attends afterschool 4 days a week and is picked up by DH on his afternoon off. DS2 goes to nursery 3.5 days a week and on my day off we go on day trips etc, and on DH afternoon off is picked up from nursery at lunchtime.

It’s rapidly approaching the summer holidays, and while DS1s afterschool care is a regular provision, the holiday care has to be booked on a day by day basis. We can book for the whole summer just now, it’s just that we have to specify each individual date, and are only charged for the dates he goes (unlike the term time provision where it’s the days of the week that are booked, and if we chose not to send him any of his normal days we still get charged). Afterschool have already advised that they don’t have the numbers to run on the day that’s usually DHs half day, so he will have to have DS1 for the full day those days. We also won’t send him on my days off, he’ll be with me. DS2s nursery is year round so not really relevant to the conversation other than to provide the full context.

DH is a contractor and has recently found out that his contract is not being extended. He had previously been told that it would so had turned down a previous job offer and now doesn’t have anything else lined up. He’s been applying for jobs since he found out, but nothing has come of it so far.

Here’s where the difference of opinion lies. I asked DH what we were going to do about holiday club given he won’t be working. He did not respond well. He was angry at me “suddenly filling his diary” and that he would have “things to do” although didn’t specify what. Obviously he will be looking for a new job, but I’m struggling to see how that can be equivalent to a full time job.

As mentioned, DH will have to look after DS1 on the day that afterschool /holiday club isn’t running, and I will have him on my day off and DH intends to join us on these days for some family time, but other than that he thinks that we should put him into afterschool.

For the sake of full disclosure, DS1 did continue to go to nursery and subsequently afterschool while I was on mat leave, and goes to aferschool on my days off because I want to give DS2 the opportunities and experiences that his brother had when he was younger. Taking him out of nursery when DS2 was born would have meant that I couldn’t have taken DS2 to all the baby classes, and having to be back home for school pickup time would severely limit the daytrips I could take him on. I don’t think the same argument of fairness applies here.

DH thinks I’m being unreasonable expecting him to look after DS1 more than the 2 days that he wouldn’t have been going to afterschool anyway and thinks I’m being unsupportive in even suggesting it. I think he’s being unreasonable to expect that him not working would have no impact on the childcare arrangements.

Keen to hear all views on it. Realistically if he refuses then I’ve got no choice but to put him into holiday club, so it would be nice to have some alternative viewpoints that support that approach to help me not feel so annoyed about it.

OP posts:
BrutusMcDogface · 20/06/2024 07:19

i sent my older kids for a few hours a week when I was on Mat leave with their siblings, so I could do baby classes but I really don’t understand why anyone would send them to full time nursery.

and as for putting your 7 year old in after school club on your day off- what?!! Don’t you want to pick him up from school once a week?

it sounds like neither of you wants to spend time with your kids.

GRex · 20/06/2024 07:19

DS1 did continue to go to nursery and subsequently afterschool while I was on mat leave, and goes to aferschool on my days off
So it's OK for you, but not for your DH. Especially when he's actually looking for work, which would be challenging with a 7yo wanting to play.

Full time clubs would not be great at 7yo. A mix of time off individually and as a family, plus some clubs, is great for a 7yo. As long as the clubs are doing fun things he loves and he has some friends there, though those criteria don't seem to have been a factor in choices if you're just sending him to the same "after school club" each time as he has all year round? Holiday club is not after school club; there are loads of great options and you should at least think about where DS1 goes and who with.

It reads as though you are considering the needs for yourself and DS2, but the needs of DS1 and DH are playing second fiddle all the time. You are not the manager in charge, you are part of a family, so the 3 eldest of you should plan the time better to meet everyone's needs.

AquaFurball · 20/06/2024 07:22

If you are only charged for the days DS1 attends during the holidays then why aren't you booking the whole Summer for the 3 days a week you would need now if DH finds work?

Make sure the childcare is there but also as you won't be charged if he doesn't go then he should be able to spend an extra day a week with his dad while he's not working. He's 7, he doesn't need to be entertained the whole day, his dad will have time to look for work as well as feed his child and make sure he doesn't blow up the house.

DH would be a huge AH if he thought this was unreasonable.

As for PP questioning your oldest being in childcare while you have a day with youngest, why shouldn't your youngest get some of the same quality time alone with you that your eldest had when he was 2? These will be the same type of PP that insist you can't go on holiday without SC that don't live with you and their dad must make sure they get one on one time because it's not fair but youngest children don't get fair treatment of one on one time while an older child has a couple of hours in afterschool care.

BrutusMcDogface · 20/06/2024 07:25

AquaFurball · 20/06/2024 07:22

If you are only charged for the days DS1 attends during the holidays then why aren't you booking the whole Summer for the 3 days a week you would need now if DH finds work?

Make sure the childcare is there but also as you won't be charged if he doesn't go then he should be able to spend an extra day a week with his dad while he's not working. He's 7, he doesn't need to be entertained the whole day, his dad will have time to look for work as well as feed his child and make sure he doesn't blow up the house.

DH would be a huge AH if he thought this was unreasonable.

As for PP questioning your oldest being in childcare while you have a day with youngest, why shouldn't your youngest get some of the same quality time alone with you that your eldest had when he was 2? These will be the same type of PP that insist you can't go on holiday without SC that don't live with you and their dad must make sure they get one on one time because it's not fair but youngest children don't get fair treatment of one on one time while an older child has a couple of hours in afterschool care.

“A day with your youngest” - absolutely. Not the whole four days a week.

MariaVT65 · 20/06/2024 07:27

BrutusMcDogface · 20/06/2024 07:19

i sent my older kids for a few hours a week when I was on Mat leave with their siblings, so I could do baby classes but I really don’t understand why anyone would send them to full time nursery.

and as for putting your 7 year old in after school club on your day off- what?!! Don’t you want to pick him up from school once a week?

it sounds like neither of you wants to spend time with your kids.

i send my 3 year old to nursery 5 days a week (not full time hours though) and i’m on mat leave.

I wanted to give myself the best chance of a good recovery from my c section.

My baby has reflux and I am EXHAUSTED and really struggling. I have no local family.

My son was already at nursery, had his friends, does great things at nursery like phonics etc, and it’s not exactly easy is it to just pull him out for a year and then guarantee a space for when i go back to work! (I will be asking work to change my hours when my son goes to school so i can do pick up but it’s not guaranteed to be accepted).

So stop judging op! Mat leave and nursery is a totally different thing to the school holidays.

turkeymuffin · 20/06/2024 07:30

MrMotivatorsLeotard · 20/06/2024 06:27

I don’t think it’s particularly fair to send a child to childcare when a parent is at home unless the child absolutely loves going and it’s a treat for them to go.

But you did the same thing when you were on mat leave so I don’t think you’re really in a position to judge. I think it’s a bit of a shame that he doesn’t want to spend that time with your son though.

This. Why so much after school club on your days off?

You both needs to be taking annual leave / parental leave in the hols

AquaFurball · 20/06/2024 07:37

GRex · 20/06/2024 07:19

DS1 did continue to go to nursery and subsequently afterschool while I was on mat leave, and goes to aferschool on my days off
So it's OK for you, but not for your DH. Especially when he's actually looking for work, which would be challenging with a 7yo wanting to play.

Full time clubs would not be great at 7yo. A mix of time off individually and as a family, plus some clubs, is great for a 7yo. As long as the clubs are doing fun things he loves and he has some friends there, though those criteria don't seem to have been a factor in choices if you're just sending him to the same "after school club" each time as he has all year round? Holiday club is not after school club; there are loads of great options and you should at least think about where DS1 goes and who with.

It reads as though you are considering the needs for yourself and DS2, but the needs of DS1 and DH are playing second fiddle all the time. You are not the manager in charge, you are part of a family, so the 3 eldest of you should plan the time better to meet everyone's needs.

Having a newborn baby at home is not the same as looking for work! How do you know she didn't have a C-section? Would that be OK by you then?

Why would you disrupt the routine of a 3 year old with a new baby any more than you would have to? Reducing his socialisation and education for 6 months so he can be at home with an exhausted mum and a crying newborn. Especially given that this particular child is 5 now and early socialisation may have been impacted by not being able to mix with other children if mum isn't an essential worker.

Why should a newborn not get as much attention as possible in those few months before ultimately going into childcare as well when mum had to return to work? Some mumsnetters seem to hate younger siblings and think they deserve less because they weren't born first.

There is a big difference between a 2 year old and a 7 year old, DS1 probably would rather have a couple of hours every day to spend with his friends than alone at home with a toddler for company.

Coastallife36385 · 20/06/2024 07:46

Consider the time he needs to look for jobs. It can take a good 5 hours a day to send out applications, prepare for interviews etc. The market is more tough these days than usual.
of course this may be different for your husband.

CelesteCunningham · 20/06/2024 08:16

Given you used childcare on maternity leave (no judgement, I did too) I don't think you have a leg to stand on.

I think his plan is a good one. You'll have the childcare booked if he gets a job. Two FT jobs and two little kids is hard, it will do him good to get a bit of a break and be rested for his next role. And he can do some of those jobs around the house you've both been meaning to get to.

PoppyCherryDog · 20/06/2024 08:36

Iorderedyouapancake · 20/06/2024 06:00

If he’s a contractor new roles are likely to need to start at short notice- if you don’t book summer care now is it likely you’ll be able to still get them a place if he suddenly needs to start a new job on eg August 1st?

This. I think it could put companies off if he can’t start until 1st September. I work with contractors at my workplace and if we get a new one we expect them to start promptly.

Royalbloo · 20/06/2024 18:09

I'd also suggest he's stressing about finding work and being available for interviews, which I would put as a priority personally. Get childcare.

Reugny · 20/06/2024 18:24

Unless money is extremely tight and your son detests going there is no reason not to book him in. My DD who is younger likes going to her after school club even if one of us is available to pick her up early. We have compromised so that one day a week she gets picked up early.

We have managed to find different activities to do in the summer holidays though at half term she insists that she goes to the same playscheme.

Regardless of whether your husband is in or out of work your son needs to be having fun and be occupied. He doesn't need to be told to be quiet, risk being allowed to do something dangerous and told not to come into a room because his parent having an interview or work meeting.

Floralnomad · 20/06/2024 18:28

Id book the childcare and expect the husband to have found a job or be actively looking which he won’t be able to do effectively with a 7 yo to entertain

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