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AIBU?

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DH and the broken engagement ring

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AppelationStation · 15/06/2024 21:55

Short version: One of the diamonds has fallen out of my engagement ring. DH says we can't afford to fix it as we're trying to save (which we are). AIBU?

Long version: When we got engaged DH gave me a beautiful, old engagement right that belonged to his grandmother and her mother before that. It''s the nost special object I've ever had.

A couple of years after we got married, one of the diamonds fell out. We searched and searched but couldn't find the stone. That was 5 years ago. Since then, it has been sat in a box in my dresser.

We have been very hard up for most of our marriage, so I could understand not getting it fixed. Diamonds are hardly a priority when you're struggling to pay the bills. In the last 12 months things have been much better, largely down to me going back to uni through the pandemic, acing it whilst also homeschooling our young son when schools were shut, working my arse off since I qualified and almost doubling my salary in the last 2 years (it was low to begin with so not that much by mumsnet standards but still a big achievement).

DH earns barely above minimum wage in a skilled job that he adores and is brilliant at, but is in a v low paid industry. Whenever we've had conversations about money, his job has never been a thing he is willing to consider changing. He will always be a low earner, and any change to our circumstances will have to fall to me, hence my recent career decisions. I, on the other hand, am often criticised for 'spending' - even kids shoes that fit properly or kids clothes (or my own) that are not second hand are seen as self indulgent and wasteful. I've felt some resentment towards him because of this over the years, though now I just accept it, and can see a benefit to one of us not being massively stressed by huge responsibilities all the time. He's a very playful, present father to our DS. He's also very careful with money, organised and disciplined, which I'm grateful for. He is definitely a 'save until you can afford it' person. He consideres any (0% interest) credit card debt, or overdraft debt, however small, as a sign of trouble and would rather eat beans and not go on holiday and pay it off straight away, than accept a small amount and paying it down slowly and affordably. We have a 2.5k loan we used towards the cost of a vehicle last year, and about £500 in cc debt. We have no other debts, mortgage, car loans etc whatsoever.

I recently had a pay rise that equated to about a 20% increase. We agreed we would live as we currently do for the next 6 months, pay everything off and save more towards the deposit for a house (currently renting). I suggested we could look into the cost of getting my ring fixed and maybe do that too, as a kind of treat and gift to myself having worked to hard to get here. Today we found out that it would cost about £230. DH refuses to do it. We need to save the money / pay off things first, it's not a priority, no one needs a ring. Generally when it comes to money, what he says goes.

Now, I don't want a ring fixed with reluctance and resentment on my wedding finger, so I've had to drop it. But I feel a bit hurt tbh. More than I'd like the ring to be able to wear again, I'd like DH to feel proud of me, and grateful for how hard I've worked, and sad that I've not worn the ring he gave me when he proposed for the last 5 years, and for him to want to get it fixed too. He just doesn't really care that much.

I said "what if I could find the money somehow, maybe sell a few things?" (clothes, old kids stuff etc) and he replied "then that money should so into the pot, not get spent on stuff we don't need". So even as the higher earner, by some margin, I lack the agency to make this decision.

He says we'll fix it one day. When is it ever going to be a priority? I look at my wedding finger and feel a bit sad. The ring sits in a box. How old will I be before I can wear it again? What's the point of it if I can't?

I don't know. Sorry for the long post over a totally 1st world problem. It's not the ring, it's his attitude. Is he being tight fisted and mean, or AIBU?

OP posts:
jackstini · 16/06/2024 09:36

Having rtft and all your responses it is clear he is financially & emotionally abusing you.

He might not even realise it as he is so entrenched that his way is the right way, but it needs to change or your resentment will grow until it explodes

You need a serious conversation telling him that:
He does not get to make all the decisions
Your opinion matters, especially as your earn so much more
You need access to all the finances

He is making you feel like shit already, what have you got to lose by addressing it?

NotSentFromIphone · 16/06/2024 09:38

He's being so mean, are you sure the ring is 'real' and he's not panicking that you'll find out it's cubic zirconia if a jeweler repairs it?

Assuming the ring is real, if it's worth a lot could you sell it and buy a replacement with the money?

Or, go totally separate finances, cover 50% of all joint bills and keep the rest for yourself.

Or, ditch the husband, aka Ebenezer Scrooge.

Don't buy a house with him, you'll end up paying the mortgage but end up paying him half when you finally kick him out.

fieldsofbutterflies · 16/06/2024 09:39

I would putting all my money towards a new house without him if I were you - he's financially abusing you. The engagement ring should be the least of your worries.

GabriellaMontez · 16/06/2024 09:40

He's extremely money oriented.

He controls both of your finances. You have no access to his savings.

He dictates financial priorities.

But the one thing he doesn't concern himself with, is bringing more money in... now or in the future.

He's given himself a position of authority that exceeds his status! You currently don't have any financial independence from him.

You're literally not even allowed to plan to do this in a few months.

The first thing I'd be doing is getting my ring exactly how I wanted it. I'm worth it. You're worth it.

Then I'd be arranging things so we both had some personal spending money.

GabriellaMontez · 16/06/2024 09:41

And if you split he'd get half of everything.

Apart from your ring. So make it count.

YouveGotAFastCar · 16/06/2024 09:43

AppelationStation · 16/06/2024 00:07

He wouldn't be outwardly angry. He'd look at me with distain and then be aloof, superior, disapproving and distant.

You’re not being unreasonable to want the ring fixed.

But I wouldn’t, because it doesn’t sound like the relationship can be fixed. I’m sorry.

OldTinHat · 16/06/2024 09:43

Is it not covered under contents insurance? Mine was.

gardenmusic · 16/06/2024 09:45

You can afford for each of you to have a small bit of pocket money to spend as you will.
Not for the children's outings or clothes, or household necessities but for you each to have a little personal money, that is unquestionably yours to use as you see fit.
Use it to fix your ring or have coffees wit a friend, but do this before the resentment goes any further.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 16/06/2024 09:45

ThunderQween · 15/06/2024 22:11

He's an absolute dick. Do you not get any discretionary spending money? He's such a controlling arse and he's using you. I'd ditch him and keep the ring - get the diamond replaced and let that Be a promise to yourself to never end up in that situation again.

He’s financially abusive too and doesn’t want to work in a higher paid job either. I’d find it very to be with him despite him being a good father.

Candleabra · 16/06/2024 09:45

AppelationStation · 16/06/2024 00:07

He wouldn't be outwardly angry. He'd look at me with distain and then be aloof, superior, disapproving and distant.

I read somewhere that the first and most accurate indicator of divorce is contempt. If your husband regularly shows all these signs towards you (and if you’ve stated it here about future behaviour then I’m assuming this is how he always behaves towards you) then that’s a really bad sign.
Do you really want to live like this? Controlled by a man who thinks he’s better than you because of a weird set of skewed values?

AffableApple · 16/06/2024 09:47

DobbyTheHouseElk · 16/06/2024 08:03

Can you go to his mum assuming she’s still alive and show her? Explain how sad you are and see if she can suggest anything. Maybe she has a stone from something else that could be used? If it was her ring as well.

The OP is being financially abused, has her own decent income, and shouldn't be fixing a token of so-called love. It's not about the ring now. This would be utterly subservient behaviour.

ButtonsB · 16/06/2024 09:50

OP, you are waking up slowly to the fact your marriage is over.
You are quietly miserable living with this horrible man.
Stop putting all your wages into the joint account.
You need savings in your name.
His debts, HE needs to pay.
Forget about the ring, it represents the utterly joyless marriage you have.
Start organising yourself and see how you will manage alone.
You are the workhorse of the house.
He doesn't care about you or your happiness.
You sound amazing with great up and go.
His misery is grinding you down.
I repeat, forget about the ring, focus on getting away from this miserable man.
Reach out to family and friends for support.
You deserve better.
You can do this.

Roundeartheratchriatmas · 16/06/2024 09:56

Stop letting him treat you like shit. Seriously why are you putting up with it ? You earn the money while he co trolls it and looks on and disapproves of you ? Fuck that.

Sell the ring and use the money to pay for a divorce.

DoubleTime · 16/06/2024 10:03

Dear OP, I had a look back through your posts after another Mumsnetter mentioned these.

Leave him, you have a good job that you worked really hard to get. You earned those qualifications through hard work and determination. Leave him, and enjoy the rewards of your hard work by living life the way you would like to. Choose the place you want to live rather than letting him dictate this (I read your other thread that you moved to his home area and left your friends).

Good luck. I hope to read your next thread about how enjoyable and exciting your new life is.

Lastarse · 16/06/2024 10:04

How do you know he is telling you the truth re your ‘family’ finances anyway ? You have the underlying assumption he’s the good guy, a bit tight and frugal but you actually don’t know the truth.
The ring is neither here nor there, it’s just hopefully it’s the catalyst to get this awful man away. Go slowly and carefully. Plan and get your head straight first.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 16/06/2024 10:07

If you got the ring fixed, all you'd have is a ring. 😔
It will symbolise nothing. It will serve as an ironic reminder of the marriage you thought you had.
You are trying all ways to see this abusive sham of a relationship as something meaningful and mutually respectful. But you've had a glimpse at the reality and I don't think you can unsee that now.
Protect your finances. You have no idea what he is doing with your money. But you can be certain that he is benefiting at your expense. If he decided to walk out on you or push you out, what are your chances of getting your share of the "joint savings" ?
Open up a new account (that you have access to!) and put in your share of the expenses.
Keep the rest for yourself and the children's expenses. Save your own money! You can't trust him, you should not rely on him doing the right thing.
Buy yourself a new ring. As a reward to yourself for doing all you have done for your kids. Your DH is using you to do all the heavy lifting, so he can keep his low pay job and play the "hands-on dad". Don't expect him to change.
Btw he's not a good dad. No decent parent would keep their children in cheap shoes that don't fit if they can afford better.
My mum made sure that we had decent shoes above other things. It was a priority.

beckybarefoot · 16/06/2024 10:13

He's given A very good reason why you should wait. He's not saying ever, he's saying just not right now!

I assume these bills etc you've both accrued.. and it's fair to expect you to stick to your financial plan.

But no, you want a shiny new diamond!

GabriellaMontez · 16/06/2024 10:15

Oh shit. I remember your thread about the van.

Sorry to hear you're still with this man.

Please don't allow him to hide anymore of your money.

How many weekends away with his friends has he had this year?

bluedomino · 16/06/2024 10:17

He'd look at me with distain and then be aloof, superior, disapproving and distant.
He isn't looking at you with only distain. He's looking at you with hate as you are questioning his control. He is being punitive when you don't do as he wants. He is not only being aloof, he's giving you the silent treatment to show you how your behaviour is unacceptable and to try to get you to grovel and do what he wants. He doesn't think he's superior, he knows he's inferior to you but needs to control you so he can feel superior. He gets a kick and a little ego boost out of controlling you.

He's distant to withdraw from you. You, as a normal, non toxic person, wont like this situation as you want a close loving relationship. So this makes you change your behaviour to make him happy with you so he "comes back' to you. It's very cruel. He's groomed you to accept this abuse as normal.

He's probably feeling very insecure by your new career and by you earning double his salary, if I indeed this is true. I would expect that he has massaged the figures so you feel sorry for him and don't want to embarrass him by questioning exactly what he earns. That way he gets to keep more money to himself.

He will hate the thought of you gaining power by being the higher earner so he is in high control mode to stop you getting any ideas above your station and questioning him as the leader.
Control on this level, and this is full scale financial abuse, will change your brain. It causes actual damage to your brain and alters the way you think. You are already showing signs of this, by the way you are accepting him having total control of the money and your lives.

At the moment if you ask him to leave, you can probably support yourself but he can't. If you can get account numbers, savings details you could get half in a divorce. If you buy a house with this nasty, abusive twat then divorce will be a nightmare as he will argue he needs the house to have somewhere to have your child.

I beg you to never buy a house with this abuser. Get out now with your health and your finances in good shape. Show your child what a normal life is.

He is toxic. He loves money more than you. You are a tool to him getting more money. He is abusive. You are scared of this man and that's why you let him control you. Marriage should be a partnership but you are a tool he uses to get more money.

Wake up.

bluedomino · 16/06/2024 10:21

@beckybarefoot that's absolute crap. He is abusing her.

Naunet · 16/06/2024 10:32

He has accumulated savings while we've been together. They are in his name. All the debts are also his

so he holds all the savings and it’s your job to pay off his debt? How is he even in debt if he’s so careful with money, or is it just your money he’s careful with, because he wants as much of it as possible in his savings account? Come on OP, you’re clearly a smart woman, you know this isn’t right.

Naunet · 16/06/2024 10:33

beckybarefoot · 16/06/2024 10:13

He's given A very good reason why you should wait. He's not saying ever, he's saying just not right now!

I assume these bills etc you've both accrued.. and it's fair to expect you to stick to your financial plan.

But no, you want a shiny new diamond!

Have you even read the thread?

bluedomino · 16/06/2024 10:34

Do you have access to his laptop or is it password protected? Search out account numbers, keep a note of these somewhere safe out of the house. Open post especially if it shows balances. My ex made everything paperless to keep me from knowing the full picture.

He is your enemy. You need to carefully find out your true financial position and get your hands on your half of the savings. Scheme like your life depends on it. Don't trust this man. He has nothing but contempt for you, so if he thinks you are taking away his gravy train he could get physically abusive. You are in a deadly serious situation now. Get those ducks in a row and get out. I'm really worried about you.

Thepanicyears · 16/06/2024 10:39

Yyyy

TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment · 16/06/2024 10:41

The phrase 'I earn it, so I'll decide how I spend it' isn't always appropriate, but this situation cries out for it.