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Public funding of the royal family should be optional

214 replies

FuckinghamPalace · 15/06/2024 00:08

Not sure if this has been duscussed before but…

What if the tax payer could opt out of funding the royal family? And opt in if they want to contribute?

It should be optional

Why not?

OP posts:
Teentaxidriver · 15/06/2024 01:09

Such a naive question. Can I opt out of funding the net zero nonsense, or maybe I don’t feel like putting money towards pensioners or the welfare budget. Maybe engage your brain (if you have one) before asking ridiculous questions.

Meadowfinch · 15/06/2024 01:13

'They don’t come expecting to see one of the RF. '

Have you ever been to Buckingham Palace on a state occasion like a wedding? It's heaving with Americans who have come to see the royals. Not the buildings but the Royal family and the pomp and ceremony.

notaladyinred · 15/06/2024 01:13

Alsonotsurecontent · 15/06/2024 00:23

Okayyyyyy……so we all opt out, monarchy gone. Lose billions in tourism revenue ….

im not sure what your point is when you just answer not the point

Paris is the most visited city in the world and they executed their monarchy.

Bazinga007 · 15/06/2024 01:14

I think we should.do what the French did.

Why should these unelected people get preferential treatment just because they came put of some inbreds vagina.

Kinneddar · 15/06/2024 01:15

Can we opt out of other things. I'm happy to pay for the RF but I don't use schools, libraries or public transport. Can I opt out of the portion of my tax/council tax that pays for them?

Alsonotsurecontent · 15/06/2024 01:15

notaladyinred · 15/06/2024 01:13

Paris is the most visited city in the world and they executed their monarchy.

String em up then

Meadowfinch · 15/06/2024 01:19

@Crispsandcola The UK has 160 billionaires. None of them are Royals.

PomPomtheGreat · 15/06/2024 01:24

Alsonotsurecontent · 15/06/2024 00:57

I think there’s worse wealthy people to take a dig at. Yes they were born into weath but they’re constantly having to prove their value, these days more than ever . How do you put a value on the diplomacy, soft skills, charity, awareness they bring

I remember seeing a study showing that even though charities supported by the royal family benefited from their patronage, other charities lost out by an equal amount. Ie: there was always going to be a certain amount given to charities by the British public, and the involvement of the royal family just put a thumb on certain scales.

Alsonotsurecontent · 15/06/2024 01:27

PomPomtheGreat · 15/06/2024 01:24

I remember seeing a study showing that even though charities supported by the royal family benefited from their patronage, other charities lost out by an equal amount. Ie: there was always going to be a certain amount given to charities by the British public, and the involvement of the royal family just put a thumb on certain scales.

Well Diana did quite a lot for AIDS awareness

apapuchi · 15/06/2024 01:29

I'd rather my, and everyone else's, 77p funded something else. It seems like nothing in isolation but it's a huge amount cumulatively that could fund adult social care or another area with huge deficit. Obviously it's not as simple as just switching money from one area to another but why they need everyone's 77p or whatever the amount actually is... well that's a mystery.

WinterMorn · 15/06/2024 01:30

I have to admit I much prefer the Monarchy with Charles at the helm.

EricHebbornInItaly · 15/06/2024 01:31

notaladyinred · 15/06/2024 01:13

Paris is the most visited city in the world and they executed their monarchy.

Hear hear 👏👏👏

merrymelodies · 15/06/2024 01:38

The royal family generates a LOT of interest and therefore a lot of money. Especially in the US. Tourism and journalism. I think it's beneficial, even if not as popular as it once was, for these reasons.

ForFirmBiscuit · 15/06/2024 01:40

apparently they make more money than they take so I’m not complaining

Nat6999 · 15/06/2024 03:11

Crispsandcola · 15/06/2024 00:44

In my opinion, they are billionaires with more than enough money (much of which is hidden in offshore tax havens) to look after themselves. The royal family are living in wealth and luxury while their 'subjects' are literally starving and freezing to death or living in abject poverty on minimum wage and foodbank handouts. They don't 'generate wealth for this country through tourism', that is an actual, provable lie. The royal family are an affront to the population and it's time to stop funding their extravagant lifestyles altogether.

Edited

A lot of the Royal money is invested in offshore accounts, The Queen had to be shamed into paying tax. In this day & age, the sovereign grants should be stopped, they should fund everything from property to security themselves. Some of the crown estates should be sold off, Buckingham Palace is no longer a home, it's a glorified office block. Think of all the homeless that could be housed in all the empty properties.

Michelle12A · 15/06/2024 05:37

lovehatelovehate · 15/06/2024 00:19

What is “nationally beneficial” about the royal family?

Tourism

GingerScallop · 15/06/2024 05:48

DysonSphere · 15/06/2024 00:22

They provide us with a mutual subject of conversation!

You could argue that they provide a uniting influence above politics with the never ending culture wars/lying/free wheeling....

The former is tongue-in-cheek, the latter is a serious point.

Their being a subject of constant discussion has been harmful to my mental health (half joking).

On second point, they are definitely part of divisions and culture wars. Especially the last few years and their handling of a number of issues

Bigredpants · 15/06/2024 05:54

The 77p per person is a lot more per actual tax payer surely. The ones who are not children or pensioners or net benefit recipients.
OP you sound like a typical left wing idealist. Policy by emotion.

If any party wanted to put ‘Royal family to pay for themselves’ as a manifesto pledge it wouldn’t put me off voting for them if it was properly worked out. I’d be happy to see a more Dutch style RF. I think it would be bad for UK’s international reputation to be seen to be withdrawing all support and anyway, why not have a few people to sit in those golden carriages and wear those jewels?

llamajohn · 15/06/2024 06:19

The opt out system costing more kind of us the point. The royal family would cost more of funds for an opt out system were introduced.

Instead of paying 77p per person in your house, you'd be paying £2.50 per person (or whatever) to not fund the royal family.

Ratsoffasinkingsauage · 15/06/2024 06:24

Isn’t this is the same stupid argument as the childless saying they don’t want their taxes to go towards a schools.

If you give people the choice where their taxes go it would, sadly, very quickly turn into quite a few people not giving tax money to the benefits system and housing for asylum seekers.

Guess ignorance crosses the political divide!

Keepthosenamesgoing · 15/06/2024 06:25

Hypothecated tax is quite complex to do and even NI is not quite that.
Yes it's annoying to pay for things we don't want. But that's democracy. We can't just pick and choose the bits we want.
So the way to change it is at the ballot box. Vote for parties that will abolish it

OddBoots · 15/06/2024 06:40

Can the £7 billion annual government/taxpayer subsidy of aviation also be optional? Anything else?

SlowerMovingVehicle · 15/06/2024 06:56

Sovereign grant should be illegal, not optional. Why can't the royals rent out their 27 palaces to fund themselves?

DramaLlamaBangBang · 15/06/2024 07:09

Nat6999 · 15/06/2024 03:11

A lot of the Royal money is invested in offshore accounts, The Queen had to be shamed into paying tax. In this day & age, the sovereign grants should be stopped, they should fund everything from property to security themselves. Some of the crown estates should be sold off, Buckingham Palace is no longer a home, it's a glorified office block. Think of all the homeless that could be housed in all the empty properties.

I don't think we will ever get rid of the RF in this country but I do think they should be slimmed down drastically to just the Monarch and heir and their partners, with max one official London residence and a country house. The rest they pay for themselves. They need to be held to account for things they do like exempt themselves from legislation and tax avoidance ( although I think Charles is more aware of these things than his mother, and has reduced the amount that goes to him. She was always trying to shill extra money for herself).

Twentypastfour · 15/06/2024 07:11

There are lots of things I don’t want my money to go towards. I don’t get to choose. It’s the whole point of the tax system.