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To feel outraged at this former family GP being sent to prison for a Covid fine while the U.K. govt partied hard.

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GeraniumsAndPoppies · 13/06/2024 23:10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn446pd25m8o

It will have cost the public purse a huge sum to have put this GP in prison. Four years on from lockdown, she has gone to prison for non payment of a fine. The whole thing seems ludicrous.

Dr Anne McCloskey

Dr Anne McCloskey jailed over Covid fine

Anne McCloskey is standing as a candidate in Foyle in the upcoming Westminster election.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn446pd25m8o

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LauderSyme · 13/06/2024 23:13

Having read the article, she sounds unhinged and vexatious. But yes the principle of the thing is utterly wrong.

SpringerFall · 13/06/2024 23:13

Well to me they are seperate things I dont 'think a society can run on one person /group doing something worse so you should get off

ghostyslovesheets · 13/06/2024 23:14

Well no - she didn’t pay the fine and then spouted loads and f ‘free man’ bollox rather than engaging or offering to pay - so yeah she had a choice

those fined for parties elsewhere probably paid so didn’t go to prison

Gingernaut · 13/06/2024 23:16

She could have paid the fine and not been jailed

As it stands, she's failed to understand how laws are made in the UK and personifies the swivel eyed lunacy of 'Freemen of the Land' nuttiness

ByJoyousAquaOtter · 13/06/2024 23:17

Sounds like a Freeman of the Land loon. Zero sympathy.

Balhammom · 13/06/2024 23:18

Actions have consequences. If you break the law and take a contemptuous attitude to the court, what do you expect?

Babbahabba · 13/06/2024 23:21

She's being jailed because she didn't pay the fine. It's her own fault.

PearlKoala · 13/06/2024 23:22

I saw one of my anti vaxxer, conspiracy theory, homeopathy loving relatives frothing about this on Facebook earlier. I've bo time for this sort of nonsense, wasting everyone's time. If she doesn't want to pay the fine she can go to prison and everyone can have some peace and quiet for a few days.

NoveltyCereal · 13/06/2024 23:26

As far as I can tell, the ministers and civil service staff who were fined, actually paid it.

This woman is clearly a moron and deserved what she got.

GeraniumsAndPoppies · 13/06/2024 23:29

NoveltyCereal · 13/06/2024 23:26

As far as I can tell, the ministers and civil service staff who were fined, actually paid it.

This woman is clearly a moron and deserved what she got.

While I might not agree with her sentiments, the woman is a GP of many years and clearly not a “moron”. And what sort of expression is moron anyway?

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ByJoyousAquaOtter · 13/06/2024 23:32

GeraniumsAndPoppies · 13/06/2024 23:29

While I might not agree with her sentiments, the woman is a GP of many years and clearly not a “moron”. And what sort of expression is moron anyway?

I’m sorry, but anyone who believes freeman of the land nonsense and confidently spouts it in court clearly isn’t the sharpest tool in the box.

GeraniumsAndPoppies · 13/06/2024 23:33

A lot of those politicians were not fined, as far as I understand it.

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GeraniumsAndPoppies · 13/06/2024 23:36

Where is the benefit to the public for imprisoning this woman? Especially four years down the line.

This report says it costs £65,000 to imprison someone and £40,000 per year afterwards. https://www.fpe.org.uk/the-cost-of-prisons/

How is imprisoning a 67 year old doctor in these circumstances going to benefit anyone? It’s taking money from the public purse. Money which could be better spent.

The Cost of Prisons – Focus Prisoner Education

https://www.fpe.org.uk/the-cost-of-prisons/

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CassandraWebb · 13/06/2024 23:37

I mean, I completely get your point in one sense. The govt got off far too lightly (but let's remember their parties when we are in the voting booth)

But she's clearly a freeman of the land and they are outrageously unhinged

CassandraWebb · 13/06/2024 23:40

GeraniumsAndPoppies · 13/06/2024 23:29

While I might not agree with her sentiments, the woman is a GP of many years and clearly not a “moron”. And what sort of expression is moron anyway?

The expression might be distasteful but either she is stupid or she is deliberately deploying the freeman of the land nonsense in the vain hope she can somehow bamboozle a judge. They've seen it all before. Countless times. Utter taxpayer wasting bunch of idiots (the freemen not the judges)

And as a GP in a pandemic I would hold her to a similar standard as the politicians tbh. I certainly know all the senior civil servants and doctors in my family felt it was important to follow the rules and lead by example

CassandraWebb · 13/06/2024 23:40

GeraniumsAndPoppies · 13/06/2024 23:36

Where is the benefit to the public for imprisoning this woman? Especially four years down the line.

This report says it costs £65,000 to imprison someone and £40,000 per year afterwards. https://www.fpe.org.uk/the-cost-of-prisons/

How is imprisoning a 67 year old doctor in these circumstances going to benefit anyone? It’s taking money from the public purse. Money which could be better spent.

Well if she cared about wasting taxpayer money she could have just paid the fine

ByJoyousAquaOtter · 13/06/2024 23:41

GeraniumsAndPoppies · 13/06/2024 23:36

Where is the benefit to the public for imprisoning this woman? Especially four years down the line.

This report says it costs £65,000 to imprison someone and £40,000 per year afterwards. https://www.fpe.org.uk/the-cost-of-prisons/

How is imprisoning a 67 year old doctor in these circumstances going to benefit anyone? It’s taking money from the public purse. Money which could be better spent.

Because you can’t pander to idiots who don’t believe that the legal system is real, or you may as well not have laws at all.

Gingernaut · 13/06/2024 23:42

GeraniumsAndPoppies · 13/06/2024 23:29

While I might not agree with her sentiments, the woman is a GP of many years and clearly not a “moron”. And what sort of expression is moron anyway?

Moron means mild to moderate retardation, with an IQ between 50-69 at around the level of a child around 9 to 12 years old

HTH, hon

Gingernaut · 13/06/2024 23:45

Here you go

ETA: bit blurry, sorry

To feel outraged at this former family GP being sent to prison for a Covid fine while the U.K. govt partied hard.
RoseBucket · 13/06/2024 23:45

This is also the Dr who campaigned for pro-life over woman’s rights of choice. Accused the state of bullying people to have Covid jabs etc and has been suspended several times.

TheLadyOfTheFlowers · 13/06/2024 23:50

CassandraWebb · 13/06/2024 23:40

Well if she cared about wasting taxpayer money she could have just paid the fine

Who said that it was her that cared? Did she say that? CBA to read the article

But surely for someone like her, community service would be much better for all concerned. Get her to actually help in the community, not be jailed with the cost it entails.

Poyulyi · 13/06/2024 23:53

She’s a total conspiracy nut who clearly thrives off the attention from that part of the internet, she could just pay her fine like we all have to do in life when we get one, but that wouldn’t have got her the attention she’s clearly craving.

Bananafree · 13/06/2024 23:53

I strongly disagree with jail for most non-violent offenders. If we cleared the jail of non violent people we would have more space for rapists/murderers etc to get proper sentences. I don’t know the ins and outs of this case but prima face it seems a bad decision. Community service would’ve been better.

Bananafree · 13/06/2024 23:57

She’s obviously got certain moral convictions /belief that make her disagree with the fine seeing as she was anti-lockdown , which I wasn’t - but personally if it was me I’d have paid.

She’s now got a criminal record for something so minor but which will make traveling to certain countries difficult.

For example, I know the ESTA for America asks if you’ve ever been arrested/convicted etc

Prawncow · 13/06/2024 23:57

She retired in 2019. She came back in 2020 to help with the coronavirus crisis and then began posting frequent articles online, expressing her scepticism about the seriousness of the virus and the need for lockdowns.
Standing as an independent candidate at a Derry Trades Union Council election hustings, Dr McCloskey also referred to vaccinations as “injectable genetic therapy”, which are in clinical trials until this year

She’s been suspended from practicing medicine as a result.

She was fined for breaching lockdown at an anti lockdown rally.

The judge said he’d give her more time to pay instead of prison.

Dr McCloskey accused court officials of "fraud" by entering a plea of not guilty for her in relation to the original offences.
The defendant went on to say she had been arrested on the foot of "a fake entity" - namely the Director of Public Prosecution who she said did "not exist in law or statute".

Judge McElholm muted her microphone and said she was talking "nonsense".
He said he had never met the DPP personally but was pretty sure he existed.