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nursery opening hours

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scottishgal09 · 12/06/2024 22:58

I need to go back to work so will soon be putting my 9 month old in nursery, only thing is that the earliest I can find any nursery open is 7 am to 7 pm. The 7 pm closing time is fine but I really find I need a opening time of 6 pm. I also work Saturday mornings so need something that is open 6 days. Start time should be at least 6:00 pm but I struggle to find this. Do these type of nursery’s exist? What are the opening and closing hours for your nursery’s? Why don’t nursery’s take into account that some parents need to work 6 days 🤨?

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Didimum · 13/06/2024 21:14

Klippityklopp · 13/06/2024 21:04

@Didimum I guess everyone's opinion on full time is different, if I worked 40 hours over 4 days I'd be classed as full time at my work.

And nursery place isn’t an employed child.

Sausagedog101 · 13/06/2024 21:14

Gosh this thread has really brought out the worst of mumsnet.

Fine for people to offer their advice in response to the OP's questions, but the personal bashing and attacks on the OP are quite frankly, vile.

We should be supporting each other - we don't always have to agree, but at least voice differing opinions constructively and not as a personal attack!

I am really put off mumsnet reading this thread. Horrible.

WednesburyUnreasonable · 13/06/2024 21:15

Klippityklopp · 13/06/2024 21:04

@Didimum I guess everyone's opinion on full time is different, if I worked 40 hours over 4 days I'd be classed as full time at my work.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use “full time”re: daycare to refer to anything other than someone who has paid for their child to be able to use the setting five days a week.

The amount of hours people actually use on the days they pay for will obviously vary from potentially 0 right up to 12 (or however many hours the daycare is open) - but they don’t have a full-time place unless it’s five days a week.

edit: my setting doesn’t offer half days - but I suppose for those that do, it’ll be the entitlement to use five full days,

WeeOrcadian · 13/06/2024 21:18

OP. You're.obsessed with Drs and how they manage

You're not a Dr (you said you work in hospitality)

It doesn't seem to matter what advice you're given here, you're ignoring it all, disagreeing with posters (remember - YOU came to MN for advice). And adding 'lol' to the end of every reply just looks silly.

Perhaps you should read through the comments on here when you're calmer and more open minded to the fact that you could actually, be wrong

Needanewname42 · 13/06/2024 21:21

Didimum · 13/06/2024 21:01

Why are people still pulling 66 hours out of the sky? She doesn’t want 66 hours.

She wants 60.5
6am to 5pm = 11 x 5 = 55
Plus half day Saturday 5.5 hours = 60.5

It's a heck of a lot of time in anyone's language.

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/06/2024 21:31

WeeOrcadian · 13/06/2024 21:18

OP. You're.obsessed with Drs and how they manage

You're not a Dr (you said you work in hospitality)

It doesn't seem to matter what advice you're given here, you're ignoring it all, disagreeing with posters (remember - YOU came to MN for advice). And adding 'lol' to the end of every reply just looks silly.

Perhaps you should read through the comments on here when you're calmer and more open minded to the fact that you could actually, be wrong

OP asked advice about nursery hours. She didn’t ask to receive the many disgusting comments.

Why would OP take notice of any advice if it also includes things such as questioning why she had a baby in the first place ?

Didimum · 13/06/2024 21:35

Needanewname42 · 13/06/2024 21:21

She wants 60.5
6am to 5pm = 11 x 5 = 55
Plus half day Saturday 5.5 hours = 60.5

It's a heck of a lot of time in anyone's language.

She’s said twice it’s Saturday morning. 66 hours has been invented by the vile people on this thread.

Howdoesitworkagain · 13/06/2024 21:37

Oh dear OP @scottishgal09

You have two jobs, one of which is a restaurant manager. Hospitality is famously short of staff post Brexit, if you’re a decent restaurant manager you’re not going to be unable to ever get back into it and get promoted if you take your foot off the pedal a bit while you have a baby.

Plus, as you both have hospitality jobs, there’s got to be a way you can stagger work hours to manage nursery pick ups and drop offs - after all, restaurants are open in the evenings.

You need a reality check and I’m afraid you don’t seem to be taking it in:

Hospitality jobs are not as scarce and precious as you think they are - they’re not worth sacrificing almost all your potential time with your baby in their early years.

Nursery is not what you think it is - it’s not some idyllic, superior, enriching experience for your child. It’s a great experience, yes, and it enables us to work, but you’re going to be disappointed if you’re expecting it to be as you’ve described. Kids do best with a combination of childcare and decent time with decent parent(s).

llamajohn · 13/06/2024 21:39

Didimum · 13/06/2024 21:35

She’s said twice it’s Saturday morning. 66 hours has been invented by the vile people on this thread.

Saturday morning could be 6am--noon ...

Rachie1973 · 13/06/2024 21:39

scottishgal09 · 13/06/2024 12:10

Caring and loving is the same thing, if you care for someone you love them. I guess everybody should just give up jobs they have worked hard for so they can stay home and collect benefits like has been suggested to me.

Of course it isn’t!

I’m a (very good) carer. My residents respect and trust me to look after them in a kind and dignified manner. I care for and about them.

Do I ‘love’ them. No.

Sausagedog101 · 13/06/2024 21:41

A plea to anyone who reads this - please leave the OP alone and refrain from making personal attacks about her and her character, which you know nothing about!

@scottishgal09 is clearly working hard to balance her career and wanting the best for her baby. Give her a break.

Didimum · 13/06/2024 21:44

Howdoesitworkagain · 13/06/2024 21:37

Oh dear OP @scottishgal09

You have two jobs, one of which is a restaurant manager. Hospitality is famously short of staff post Brexit, if you’re a decent restaurant manager you’re not going to be unable to ever get back into it and get promoted if you take your foot off the pedal a bit while you have a baby.

Plus, as you both have hospitality jobs, there’s got to be a way you can stagger work hours to manage nursery pick ups and drop offs - after all, restaurants are open in the evenings.

You need a reality check and I’m afraid you don’t seem to be taking it in:

Hospitality jobs are not as scarce and precious as you think they are - they’re not worth sacrificing almost all your potential time with your baby in their early years.

Nursery is not what you think it is - it’s not some idyllic, superior, enriching experience for your child. It’s a great experience, yes, and it enables us to work, but you’re going to be disappointed if you’re expecting it to be as you’ve described. Kids do best with a combination of childcare and decent time with decent parent(s).

Shouldn’t OP be the judge of what her job is worth?

Sausagedog101 · 13/06/2024 21:45

@scottishgal09 I wish you all the best and hope you come up with a solution for you all.

If it were me, I would look to stagger our family work patterns so your little one has the weekend with her parents and is in childcare Monday-Friday. This would probably be the simplest and best solution. But I appreciate I don't know the nature of your jobs so this may not be possible!

Absolutely nothing wrong with full time good quality nursery care.

Ignore all the haters and don't let them get to you.

Sausagedog101 · 13/06/2024 21:46

Howdoesitworkagain · 13/06/2024 21:37

Oh dear OP @scottishgal09

You have two jobs, one of which is a restaurant manager. Hospitality is famously short of staff post Brexit, if you’re a decent restaurant manager you’re not going to be unable to ever get back into it and get promoted if you take your foot off the pedal a bit while you have a baby.

Plus, as you both have hospitality jobs, there’s got to be a way you can stagger work hours to manage nursery pick ups and drop offs - after all, restaurants are open in the evenings.

You need a reality check and I’m afraid you don’t seem to be taking it in:

Hospitality jobs are not as scarce and precious as you think they are - they’re not worth sacrificing almost all your potential time with your baby in their early years.

Nursery is not what you think it is - it’s not some idyllic, superior, enriching experience for your child. It’s a great experience, yes, and it enables us to work, but you’re going to be disappointed if you’re expecting it to be as you’ve described. Kids do best with a combination of childcare and decent time with decent parent(s).

How condescending. It is not for you to determine the value of the OP's job! Jog on.

Greenlittecat · 13/06/2024 21:49

Didimum · 13/06/2024 21:35

She’s said twice it’s Saturday morning. 66 hours has been invented by the vile people on this thread.

You okay love? This isn't your thread you know, probably best to step off the Internet for a bit seeing as you've been posting on it for the best part of the evening and calling people names.

I'll break it down for you clearly, seeing as you are so cross you can't seem to read properly.

Op in the OP said she needed childcare from 7 - 7, that is a 12 hour day. She then said Monday - Friday, so thats 5 days a week

5 x 12 = 60

now, if she needs childcare on a Saturday morning and childcare needs to start at 7 then 7 - 12 is 5 hours. Most nursery sessions that offer morning run until 13:00 as they provide lunch (which makes it 6 hours) but I'll be generous and take morning at face value so 5.

60 + 5 = 65, so 1 hour off 66 (if the OP is not too busy to feed her child lunch of course)

Much later on in the thread, OP says 6 am to 5 pm, M-F. Only difference is Sat morning as well

6am - 5pm is 11 hours.

11 x 5 = 55

Plus 5/6 hours for saturday morning, so 60 or 61 hours.

60/61 hours in childcare is obscene.
66 hours in childcare is obscene. We are talking significantly more hours than a full time job for a less than 1 year old baby.

I hope that makes it clearer for you!

Hope you find some peace

HollyKnight · 13/06/2024 21:53

It's not just the 60+ hours, it's that those 60+ hours are pretty much all of the baby's waking hours. Baby will be spending nearly all their waking hours with a revolving cast of people. That's why people are talking about attachment issues. The baby won't know who their main bond should be with.

Howdoesitworkagain · 13/06/2024 21:54

@Didimum @Sausagedog101 no, I disagree. I think OP has lost all sense of perspective. I’ve been guilty of the same at various points, giving my job or career more importance than it deserves. It’s helpful to have people challenge that.

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/06/2024 21:58

Greenlittecat · 13/06/2024 21:49

You okay love? This isn't your thread you know, probably best to step off the Internet for a bit seeing as you've been posting on it for the best part of the evening and calling people names.

I'll break it down for you clearly, seeing as you are so cross you can't seem to read properly.

Op in the OP said she needed childcare from 7 - 7, that is a 12 hour day. She then said Monday - Friday, so thats 5 days a week

5 x 12 = 60

now, if she needs childcare on a Saturday morning and childcare needs to start at 7 then 7 - 12 is 5 hours. Most nursery sessions that offer morning run until 13:00 as they provide lunch (which makes it 6 hours) but I'll be generous and take morning at face value so 5.

60 + 5 = 65, so 1 hour off 66 (if the OP is not too busy to feed her child lunch of course)

Much later on in the thread, OP says 6 am to 5 pm, M-F. Only difference is Sat morning as well

6am - 5pm is 11 hours.

11 x 5 = 55

Plus 5/6 hours for saturday morning, so 60 or 61 hours.

60/61 hours in childcare is obscene.
66 hours in childcare is obscene. We are talking significantly more hours than a full time job for a less than 1 year old baby.

I hope that makes it clearer for you!

Hope you find some peace

Several people have posted on here many, many times. Including some of those questioning about how OP will spend quality time with her baby.

Maybe it will involve not spending it with her nose in her phone?

Greenlittecat · 13/06/2024 22:02

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/06/2024 21:58

Several people have posted on here many, many times. Including some of those questioning about how OP will spend quality time with her baby.

Maybe it will involve not spending it with her nose in her phone?

Lets hope so! But seeing as the baby will be asleep for the majority of the "quality time" it wouldn't make a difference 😢

Didimum · 13/06/2024 22:25

Greenlittecat · 13/06/2024 21:49

You okay love? This isn't your thread you know, probably best to step off the Internet for a bit seeing as you've been posting on it for the best part of the evening and calling people names.

I'll break it down for you clearly, seeing as you are so cross you can't seem to read properly.

Op in the OP said she needed childcare from 7 - 7, that is a 12 hour day. She then said Monday - Friday, so thats 5 days a week

5 x 12 = 60

now, if she needs childcare on a Saturday morning and childcare needs to start at 7 then 7 - 12 is 5 hours. Most nursery sessions that offer morning run until 13:00 as they provide lunch (which makes it 6 hours) but I'll be generous and take morning at face value so 5.

60 + 5 = 65, so 1 hour off 66 (if the OP is not too busy to feed her child lunch of course)

Much later on in the thread, OP says 6 am to 5 pm, M-F. Only difference is Sat morning as well

6am - 5pm is 11 hours.

11 x 5 = 55

Plus 5/6 hours for saturday morning, so 60 or 61 hours.

60/61 hours in childcare is obscene.
66 hours in childcare is obscene. We are talking significantly more hours than a full time job for a less than 1 year old baby.

I hope that makes it clearer for you!

Hope you find some peace

I’m fine thanks, babe. You?

Didimum · 13/06/2024 22:27

Howdoesitworkagain · 13/06/2024 21:54

@Didimum @Sausagedog101 no, I disagree. I think OP has lost all sense of perspective. I’ve been guilty of the same at various points, giving my job or career more importance than it deserves. It’s helpful to have people challenge that.

You disagree a woman should be her own judge of the worth of her job? Alrighty then.

Howdoesitworkagain · 13/06/2024 22:30

Didimum · 13/06/2024 22:27

You disagree a woman should be her own judge of the worth of her job? Alrighty then.

I’m not sure if you’re deliberately missing the point or misinterpreting things now. I think when people are struggling with something, it can be helpful to challenge the beliefs that lie under the struggle. OP believes she’ll destroy her career if she doesn’t make herself available and flexible for all hours and demands. Do you think that’s a helpful belief to perpetuate? Or do you think it’s worth some rational counter views to see that she has other options?

Didimum · 13/06/2024 22:33

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/06/2024 21:58

Several people have posted on here many, many times. Including some of those questioning about how OP will spend quality time with her baby.

Maybe it will involve not spending it with her nose in her phone?

And OP has never said she needs 7-7 childcare. She said the nurseries she’s looked at open 7-7, and that the opening time was the problematic one. She has consistently maintained she can do earlier pick up of 5pm or 6pm.

Greenlittecat · 13/06/2024 22:34

Didimum · 13/06/2024 22:25

I’m fine thanks, babe. You?

Aw good, glad to hear it! I'm great thatsA bit cold for June but I'll get over it 😅

Shame you are still being stroppy with other people but clearly you just need things explained to you so you can understand things properly.

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/06/2024 22:36

Howdoesitworkagain · 13/06/2024 22:30

I’m not sure if you’re deliberately missing the point or misinterpreting things now. I think when people are struggling with something, it can be helpful to challenge the beliefs that lie under the struggle. OP believes she’ll destroy her career if she doesn’t make herself available and flexible for all hours and demands. Do you think that’s a helpful belief to perpetuate? Or do you think it’s worth some rational counter views to see that she has other options?

In some cases it is absolutely true. I'm sure OP knows if it would genuinely destroy her career or not.

In a management role, I imagine she is competing a lot with men. Men who don't take 9+ months maternity leave or generally go part time as much as women do.