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To wonder what's stopping them tampering with the postal votes

169 replies

nobeans · 12/06/2024 20:32

By setting post boxes in key constituencies on fire or otherwise delaying the post collection?

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nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:10

AgathaMystery · 12/06/2024 21:00

You don’t. And that’s what makes postal votes so exciting!!

or, 99.9% of the post gets through. We open the postal votes at the count in front of independent witnesses. You can also nominate someone to drop off your postal vote at a polling station on the 4th.

You’d have the trust the person not to burn/drown your vote (which we would seal in a special wallet and pass to an election official who tours the county for this very purpose).

TBH your best bet is carrier pigeon. You sound batshit.

No need to be quite so harsh.
You can also nominate someone to drop off your postal vote at a polling station on the 4th. thanks that's handy to know. How do I do that?

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nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:11

Prawncow · 12/06/2024 20:59

Large scale voter fraud isn’t a thing here. It’s not a thing in the US either.

Because they don't have postal votes. I remember all the hanging chad business

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Sahara123 · 12/06/2024 21:15

But “ they” would have to pour water into every post box for every collection for weeks to get every vote.. someone would notice dripping post boxes ..

Scissorsisters · 12/06/2024 21:16

The person dropping off has to be closely related to you, or a carer. And they have to complete the form in the polling station.

So you may as well go yourself.

Or just post your vote and stop being so paranoid.

It's like pencilgate. Bonkers.

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:16

Sahara123 · 12/06/2024 21:15

But “ they” would have to pour water into every post box for every collection for weeks to get every vote.. someone would notice dripping post boxes ..

Oh I thought it was a week window

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fliptopbin · 12/06/2024 21:17

nobeans · 12/06/2024 20:57

See thing is I would trust everyone but now I've seen how militant the trump supporters can get I'm thinking...what's to stop uk political fanatics making all the votes too soggy to read

Aah, are you from the US? That explains it. Postal votes here are put in the normal post boxes, there are no dedicated boxes for ballot papers here. So the postal votes could be put into any post box in the country. Indeed, people tend to use postal votes only if they will he away from home on election night. So what you are suggesting would be impossible with our system.

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:19

fliptopbin · 12/06/2024 21:17

Aah, are you from the US? That explains it. Postal votes here are put in the normal post boxes, there are no dedicated boxes for ballot papers here. So the postal votes could be put into any post box in the country. Indeed, people tend to use postal votes only if they will he away from home on election night. So what you are suggesting would be impossible with our system.

No. I'm in the UK.

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Takoneko · 12/06/2024 21:19

What would be the point? If this was expected to be a close election then it might be worth it… but it’s expected to be a landslide. A few postal votes are not going to swing it and the election is highly unlikely to hinge on a few marginal constituencies.

The 2000 presidential election and the hanging chads thing happened in an election that hinged on a few hundred votes in one state. This general election is not going to be that. Why on earth would anyone risk prison to maybe shift the dial by handful of votes that might be in a postbox in an election where one party has a 20 point lead?

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:21

@Takoneko I thought it wad a close thing. I don't really follow the national picture

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Takoneko · 12/06/2024 21:23

Now that I’ve realised you are talking about the US presidential election my answer is completely different. Postal votes are likely to skew blue and the race is likely to be close.

Trump supporters have shown utter contempt for the democratic process and I would not be in the least bit surprised to see them targeting postal votes and carrying out electoral sabotage.

They stormed congress to try and stop the peaceful transfer of power, setting fire to a few postboxes would be nothing to them.

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:26

Takoneko · 12/06/2024 21:23

Now that I’ve realised you are talking about the US presidential election my answer is completely different. Postal votes are likely to skew blue and the race is likely to be close.

Trump supporters have shown utter contempt for the democratic process and I would not be in the least bit surprised to see them targeting postal votes and carrying out electoral sabotage.

They stormed congress to try and stop the peaceful transfer of power, setting fire to a few postboxes would be nothing to them.

I'm not. I'm talking about the UK one!

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Takoneko · 12/06/2024 21:31

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:26

I'm not. I'm talking about the UK one!

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In that case there would be no point. Postal votes don’t skew that differently to in-person here.

This is also not shaping up to be a close election. Labour are 20 points ahead, reform have split the vote on the right and the tory strategy looks like they scrambling to try to hold onto previously solid seats with what would normally be unassailable majorities.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Electoral Calculus

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

LlynTegid · 12/06/2024 21:32

The poor postal service could be an issue in some areas.

MargaretThursday · 12/06/2024 21:36

nobeans · 12/06/2024 20:52

Why would they do it there?? The one I'm in is the one they are fighting over. There's no point setting fire to the ones in safe seats

But how would "they" know that the post box they were targeting had more votes for the other party than for themselves?

I'm going to vote for whichever political party promises to add teaching critical thinking in schools. Posts like this prove how badly needed it is.

Oooooh · 12/06/2024 21:37

Toottooot · 12/06/2024 20:49

Aye min. Ken fit like eh.

Can someone translate please...

JuneIsBustinOutAllOver · 12/06/2024 21:41

I’ve always received my postal votes at least a week before the election day. Perhaps hand it in at a post office if you are worried it might not be collected from a quiet post box.

To wonder what's stopping them tampering with the postal votes
MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 12/06/2024 21:42

Toottooot · 12/06/2024 20:38

Awa bile yer heid min.

Agree - OPs bums oot the windae

fliptopbin · 12/06/2024 21:43

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:21

@Takoneko I thought it wad a close thing. I don't really follow the national picture

The conservatives are heading towards at the least a 1997 style huge defeat, if not total electoral oblivion. Even if somebody flooded every post box in your constituency it wouldn't matter. Particularly since people will have opted for a postal vote because they were away from home. Also the right wing vote is split between the Tories and Reform, so its unclear who ",they" would be.

MarthaDunstable · 12/06/2024 21:47

Postal voters are more likely to be old and/or rural: demographics that tilt Tory. So the Tories would be mad to do this.

Labour are almost certain to win a significant majority. The huge risk that they'd take if any of their operatives were caught sabotaging postal votes in a handful of marginal constituencies would be wildly disproportionate to the potential gain.

I guess the Lib Dems could do it in a Tory / Lib Dem marginal but they don't seem the type to me.

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:47

MargaretThursday · 12/06/2024 21:36

But how would "they" know that the post box they were targeting had more votes for the other party than for themselves?

I'm going to vote for whichever political party promises to add teaching critical thinking in schools. Posts like this prove how badly needed it is.

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They will know if supporters of their party use postal votes more or will know the areas they live in so they can target the other onrs

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Latenightreader · 12/06/2024 21:51

nobeans · 12/06/2024 20:48

Ok ok ill rephrase it.

How do I know my vote is going to arrive safely and be counted?

I’ve hand delivered mine to the address on the postal vote (Town Hall in my case) when I was concerned that the post might be delayed.

Sahara123 · 12/06/2024 21:55

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:16

Oh I thought it was a week window

It could well be , I don’t actually know! I was just imagining the postie opening the box and water flooding out…

MarthaDunstable · 12/06/2024 21:58

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:47

They will know if supporters of their party use postal votes more or will know the areas they live in so they can target the other onrs

That, to be fair, is actually true.

In a super-marginal every single door will be knocked on multiple times by each party: possibly with the exception of specific council estates which the Tories think are a total lost cause/vice versa for affluent elderly villages which Labour don't think are worth the effort.

People will be asked about voting intentions and about whether they're going to vote in person or by post. I reckon that each party will have a pretty good sense of which way the postal vote in each ward will swing. So it's not completely unthinkable.

But the chances of torching a post box in the run up to polling day and getting away with it are very low, given the amount of CCTV in this country. And the PR implications of getting caught would be catastrophic.

If you're worried OP then just do what I do with cards in the run up to Christmas, on the advice of a postal worker, and post your ballot inside a post office.

AgathaMystery · 12/06/2024 22:03

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:10

No need to be quite so harsh.
You can also nominate someone to drop off your postal vote at a polling station on the 4th. thanks that's handy to know. How do I do that?

Sorry. I meant you sounded unhinged and deluded and like you’d been reading the National Enquirer since 1998 whilst listening to GB News and micro dosing mushrooms.

Just hand your sealed postal vote to anyone who is going to vote at your polling station. Any individual may hand in up to 5 postal votes, except candidates on the ballot, who may only hand in a vote of someone within their household.

Badassnameforadojo · 12/06/2024 22:07

nobeans · 12/06/2024 21:47

They will know if supporters of their party use postal votes more or will know the areas they live in so they can target the other onrs

Every day? Target the post boxes every day?

Why not just admit/accept that you’ve had a bit of a mad moment and driven yourself to think som outlandish thing, which with hindsight is not at all plausible and nothing to worry about. Then move on with your thoughts.

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