To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

[Glasto73lover]

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

I disagree. He was going back to their holiday home. That was why the search started in that direction until they realised from CCTV that he'd gone in the opposite direction.

There’s nothing to disagree about. We don’t know where he was going and that’s a fact.

I'm pretty certain he was going home, probably having a little wander around en-route. Remember the police were searching the route home and they got their information from speaking to his wife. Practically every single report said he was on his way back to the house. I think people got confused when his wife said he'd gone for a walk - but that could easily mean a walk home or a walk around the area before heading home. She said he took a wrong turning implying he should have been heading the other way - I.e. Home.

As I said I disagree.

I think you are missing the point.

People can take a phone if they want.

But there is a real difference in attitude today. How many parents won't let kids, even teens, out without a phone because they won't be able to contact them? This radically changes the sense that kids have of being responsible for their own situation.

And it's radically changed people's sense of risk. A generation ago, even in my childhood, no one would have thought it far out to go on a canoe trip for a few weeks into the wilderness. Intrepid, sure, something that required proper planning, sure. But not something unthinkable without a cell phone.

Not everyone feels the need to do every possible thing to make every situation "safer". They care to make the risk something they are happy with. The ultimate safety mindset is often quite debilitating in the end.

Being really alone is something a lot of people value.

I am not sure how your point of people wanting to be alone above safety (well that maybe in the older generation who is nostalgic about the past) is relevant in the context of this thread.

I agree. I actually thought he was chose to walk to his death.

like you say. Why would someone with sense do that. He walked past a cafe didn’t he?
it was blistering heat and known as an abyss. He was a clever man so why would u walk into the unknown without your phone or water

Your not sorry to sound cold so why say it?
You don't know what resources he had, you don't know what happened.
A phone may not have saved his life as said anyway.
It's not helpful what your saying either.
It's happened now. No point going on.
You better hope something dosent happen to you one day.
If it did would you like strangers picking everything you did apart?

Absolutely agree. If people want to stick the boot in they should just own that.

@TempestTost being really alone? Not having a phone? The problem is that other people end up involved in searches be it mountains in Scotland or islands in Greece for these people and potentially endangering their lives. I'm not saying this was his attitude btw.

An American hiker has gone missing on another island now. Sorry can't link at the moment.

Has made me think about all the solo walks and hikes I do. Usually not in remote areas but will be downloading that finder app...

And there's so many British men who have gone missing on greek islands just in the last 10 years and they are never found. MM has just brought attention to it.

I don’t think he was exhibiting stupidity at all. He was, by all accounts, less than 300 feet from the path, and died of natural causes.
Some people drop dead in their living room, or running for the bus to get to work, or running a marathon. He could have just had a cardiac arrest that would have happened wherever he was.
YABU to be anxious about it: it’s the one part of life that’s inevitable, so live your best one, as he undoubtedly was…

I think what people are saying is if there's one person who you'd put money on being sensible and not hiking in extreme heat with no phone and a little water, it would be MM.

That's why what happened is so mystifying. I think he was more of an adventurous risk taker than he made out from his healthy eating programmes.

He was 67, told nobody where he was going, was a medical professional, didn’t take his phone, and had a history of amnesia. It don’t think he was stupid, but he was certainly unwise.

He thought he was taking a 30 minute walk with good sun protection. It’s a tragedy that he seems to have got lost one way or another.

Given that he swallowed a tapeworm in one of his programmes I would say he always had quite an adventurous risk taking spirit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25968755

I know @Thegreatgiginthesky . Yuck or what. Definitely a risk taker.

I'm not enjoying these MM podcast adverts flashing up on Facebook now. Bloody Facebook listening to conversation is anxiety provoking!

If he felt unwell enough to decide to return early and the rest of the party appeared ok to stick to plan then he most likely did not want to disrupt them be saying he really needed to get out of the sun. He over-estimated his ability to get back by himself because his thinking was confused from impending heat stroke. This attitude would be in accordance with what his wife states about his kindness and consideration for others. Considering the situation back in England he almost certainly would advised himself differently.

There’s no evidence that he felt ill, his wife didn’t say this

He was well known as a risk taker, swallowing a tapeworm and swimming back to shore in the cold atlantic sea as an experiment instead of getting a boat back with his wife. That's the time he lost his memory for a bit. So he was well known for straddling two worlds, that of an adventurous boundary pusher in the name of science, and that of a healthy living expert. We have to remember the former in the context of this.

Honestly I don’t think many people would find anything risky about a planned 30 minute walk at 35 degrees when you’re fit and well, sun hat, umbrella, water bottle.

Loads of Brits did this multiple times a day in the summer 2022 when it was pushing 40 degrees and children needed picking up from school etc

Yes but not on a barren rock face with zero shelter from unrelenting rays beating down on you, you're being obtuse here. I'm sure the school run was on shady streets with multiple opportunities and places to stop and drink water, cool off etc

@Fraudornot

To add to Boniface’s helpful comments, Michael Mosely based his 5:2/Fast 800 diet, eating only 800 calories for 2 days of the week and his 12 week ‘blood sugar diet’ a v low calorie diet eating 800 cal daily for 12 weeks is on the work of Professor Roy Taylor, at Newcastle University who studied whether a low-calorie diet could help people living with overweight or obesity put their type 2 diabetes into remission.

Prof Taylor led the randomised controlled Diabetes Remission Clinical Trial (DiRECT) which started in 2014 and ran for two years. The intervention comprised a total diet replacement (825–853 kcal/day formula diet for 3–5 months), stepped food reintroduction (2–8 weeks), and structured support for long-term weight loss maintenance.

Results showed that almost half (46%) of people with type 2 diabetes (all participants had diabetes for 6 years or less) who received the weight management programme were in remission one year later, 36% at two years and at five years only 13% of people who had received the weight management programme and continued to have support through the extension study were in remission of type 2 diabetes.

Diabetes U.K. said: “it's encouraging that the findings show that some people could stay in remission for five years, but showed that this wasn’t possible for most. Many who regained the weight they had lost came out of remission. But it's important to remember that no matter how long you stay in remission for, spending any time in remission can have lasting benefits to health…

People living with overweight or obesity on a weight management journey are fighting against their biology and the food environment. Over time, this complex interplay can make it difficult to avoid regaining weight.”

So not a cure all but helpful for some with diabetes for 6 years or less. Inspired by the DiRECT study findings the NHS have rolled out a The NHS Type 2 Diabetes Path to Remission Programme

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/diabetes-the-basics/type-2-remission/support-for-remission

Those who are pre diabetic may find weight loss through either v low calorie diets, the Mediterranean diet or intermittent fasting could prevent or delay developing type 2 diabetes.

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/diabetes-the-basics/type-2-remission/low-calorie-diets-for-remission