To think parents of private education school children will be fine

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I’ve seen lots of threads on this topic recently. It would be great to have it’s own section so those who want to chat about it with fellow parents , can without an argument.

But private school parents and their children!! We will be just fine. There’s so much smugness and bitterness and hate coming from people who think it’s great the VAT will be added and force some out. In fact I don’t disagree - add VAT on ! Great, and then we can take either our state places up … win win we have more money to spend on holidays, deposits for houses for our kids, private tutors, extra cirricular activities etc and we can probably move to better areas with the outstanding state schools or OR we pay it it we can afford to keep our children there.

On some of the independent school committees they are working out how to charge the fees differently so the actual fees we will pay 20% on are low and the rest of the money is on stuff that’s exempt from VAT. They are also looking at changing the nature of the schools so the children get their state education allowance and then pay extras on top- like you would nursery extras.

The chance of labour implementing it is low. There are solicitors looking at it now and whether they can change the law to allow it.

So either way we’re not in a bad position - as most of the threads argue we are the wealthiest in The UK- some can’t afford food bills etc so we are incredibly lucky to have choice and it is true we must have money to
even contemplate spending £25k on each child in school.

Yes. The fair world is where everyone gets shat on, not just some. That is what we all seek 🙄

You really are being exceptionally unpleasant, Nigerian Prince or otherwise. Your outright refusal to accept ANY of the MANY negatives to this issue that have been highlighted really shows you in a bad light.

You are being deliberately obtuse. I was only giving you a few staff cutting examples, there are many many more that are being considered.

The outright refusal to take appeals to emotion as valid points?

How about I point out that people lose their jobs all the time as a result of government decisions and have done across the state sector repeatedly in the last 14 years. Or in lots of other sectors too.

"I was only giving you a few staff cutting examples, there are many many more that are being considered."

Of course there are, and when your school runs less efficiently than it does and looks less attractive I'm sure that you'll either hire people to make up for it or rehire.

Or, as is most likely to happen. 99% of parents will pay the increased fee anyway and you won't have to make cuts.

Doesn’t matter what they charge if they have to cut costs. As the headteacher said, it will be domestic staff, gardeners, caterers etc that will be at risk of losing their jobs and that’s always going to have a bigger impact in a very rural area where there aren’t many employers.

You keep going back to problems in the state sector but don’t explain why you think the private sector (and the staff that work in it and the children that are educated in it) should be punished for this. Even the IFS report didn’t think that 99% of parents would pay the fees, so why are you so sure?

There are many posters giving you many reasoned and justified issues with the policy, backed by facts. In and of themselves they may be minor (‘a few redundancies’ as you so dismissively put it) but they all add up to a lot. You just respond with sweeping statements: ‘99% of parents will pay the increase’ based on nothing but your own opinion. You can’t possibly know that. I take your ‘appeals to emotion’ and raise you with ‘La La La I’m not listening’.

The aren't being punished, stop using emotive language.

I was just wondering if you were so caring about people losing their jobs in previous rounds?

"Won't someone please think of the poor people who will lose their jobs" is always an appeal to emotion.

The IFS were very conservative with their estimates I think. Most people will keep their kids in school, they'll be able to manage the average figure for secondary school which is 225 a month. Or they'll remortgage, borrow short term, etc etc.

@Goosieloosie

People on the internet lie, they make up stories to justify their positions, omit information when its convenient.

My points have been backed with facts.

The IFS were very conservative with their estimate, the vast majority of students who go to private schools come from households in the top income decile. There are a few from the two below that but very few in the 2nd to 6th.

This means that their parents have far higher household incomes than most and the average increased amount is the equivalent of an relatively expensive family night out.

And yes I am going to dismiss points that repeatedly use logical fallacies and exaggerations. There may be cuts to schools, but I doubt that there will be any significant job losses.

‘I think’… phew, thats a relief, your greater knowledge has finally put us in our place.

Oh dear, you were trying so hard, and failed. Yet again.

Ah yes, like you being an Economist/Economics lecturer…

Yes they do lie, we can see that you are lying and making up stories.

And a private school teacher…

Those are both true :)

Neither of them were said to enhance my points, unlike the claims of others on here.

Do you have trouble differentiating between the two?

Of course they were used in an attempt to give context to your opinions. If they weren’t used to enhance your points, why even mention them?

Nothing made up here.

As there is nothing that I've said about my situation that would enhance my claims.

People coming on and claiming they are making these decisions at private schools are making claims that are used to try to justify their points.

I'm sure even you can see the difference?

I’m always caring about people losing their jobs. I spent most of my childhood with my dad being in and out of work so I know the dreadful impact it has on families.

And you still haven’t explained why people
losing their jobs in the state sector means it’s fine for the same to happen in the private sector. If you don’t see it as a punishment, what is your justification?

"If they weren’t used to enhance your points, why even mention them?"

Because they were relevant to dismiss personal attacks. One which was that I obviously hated private school parents, I don't and have never expressed this sentiment. Another was that I didn't understand PED, which quite frankly was insulting.

Neither was said to support any of my arguments regarding VAT and private schools. There is a difference.

"And you still haven’t explained why people
losing their jobs in the state sector means it’s fine for the same to happen in the private sector."

I didn't say it was fine, I was asking if you cared so much then. See it's easy to make appeals to emotion to try to support your point, but it's not as easy to defend them when you are asked for consistency.

"I spent most of my childhood with my dad being in and out of work so I know the dreadful impact it has on families."

I'm sorry to hear that. But the impact is over blown and the number left redundant will be minor.

The net benefit of the policy will still be greater.

The net benefit will not be greater. Jobs lost and children’s education disrupted for little or no revenue.

It will bring in about, or a bit more than the IFS project which is a 2% increase to the total schools budget. A good bit of focused spending in areas of need will be greatly impactful.

I won't cause many job losses or much disruption to children.

( but again with the emotional appeals)

’it will bring in about, or a bit more than the IFS project’

(but again with the unbased sweeping statements)

It won’t raise that and how is one teacher for every three schools a meaningful impact?!

The money raised by the policy will fund new jobs. 3000 new nurseries will need catering, cleaning and outdoor staff. There will be new jobs created for teachers and other support roles in schools. Plus new work experience opportunities etc. If there will be redundancies in areas where the schools are the largest employer, that will be difficult for those people. But government policy has to be about the big picture of doing the greatest good for the greatest number and objectively, surely its better for a few jobs to be lost to create many more?

The private school my daughter attended until very recently are going to save costs by putting a stop to sharing all facilities, cancelling all joint teaching and tuition initiatives including funding a number of SEN positions. Bursaries will go too which, sadly, means a number of students will be lost. Relationships with a number of schools in Europe and Africa will be limited to social media.

There are a number of other financial options which means any increase in fees will be kept to the absolute minimum without the need for redundancies.