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To think that this really can't be true about young people's thoughts about Israel?

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Another2Cats · 05/06/2024 19:52

So, I just read an article where they say they have done a poll of young people and, of those under 25, 54% said that they agree with the statement "the state of Israel should not exist". Just 21% disagreed.

Did the polling company manage to just randomly pick a bunch of people that feel this way, or is this genuinely how many young people feel?

IABU to think that this can't really be true? (I am quite prepared to accept that IABU and that this really is what a majority of young people believe)

The link is here:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/majority-of-young-britons-think-israel-should-not-exist/

and this is the text of the article:

A majority of Britain’s young people do not believe Israel should exist, a new UnHerd poll has revealed.

A preliminary finding of an exclusive survey of 1,012 voters about foreign policy, conducted by Focaldata and due to be released tomorrow on UnHerd, found that a striking 54% of 18-24-year-olds agreed with the statement that “the state of Israel should not exist.” Just 21% disagreed.

This finding dovetails with other UnHerd polling on the same issue. In a separate question, young respondents were asked who was more to blame for the war in Gaza. Half blamed the Israeli government, while a quarter answered Hamas. Only 19% responded “all equally”.

The war’s high degree of exposure online and on social media appears to have fuelled interest among Britain’s young. An AI-generated “all eyes on Rafah” graphic was shared more than 44 million times on Instagram recently, with pro-Palestine content also proliferating on TikTok. Critics have argued that the Chinese social media platform has deliberately promoted anti-Israel content, which TikTok has denied, citing the existing attitudes of its young user base.

These attitudes are reflected in further UnHerd polling, which asked young Britons about their level of interest in wars around the world. It found that Britons aged 18-24 are far more interested in the war in Gaza than they are in the Russia-Ukraine conflict or in US-China tensions. Among this group, 38% were very interested in Gaza and 28% were somewhat interested, compared with 19% and 44% who were very or somewhat interested in the war in Ukraine, respectively.

As the Israeli war enters its eighth month, public opinion has slowly shifted in Palestine’s favour. Historic polling shows that popular support for Israel was at its highest shortly after the 7 October attacks at 21%, but this figure has since fallen. Although young people were most sceptical of Israel before the attack, the overall level of support for the Jewish state over the same time frame has plummeted to 16%, according to YouGov figures.

As of this week, a new ceasefire proposal is on the table, and the US is pushing Israel to accept it. The deal would involve the exchange of prisoners for hostages and would pave the way for negotiations. A ceasefire has strong majority support in the UK.

Majority of young Britons think Israel should not exist

A majority of Britain’s young people do not believe Israel should exist, a new UnHerd poll has revealed. A preliminary finding of an exclusive survey of 1,012 voters about foreign policy, conducted by Focaldata and due to be released tomorrow on UnHerd...

https://unherd.com/newsroom/majority-of-young-britons-think-israel-should-not-exist

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Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:07

greenwichvillage · 06/06/2024 14:05

Its funny how you all think that Israel are the victims and that this only started on the 7th Oct. That's what they would like the whole world to think. But we don't think that anymore and there are millions of us all over the world who think Israel are in the wrong. But it seems to me that you don't seem to care about about 1000's of innocent people killed.
Yes I do not condone what happened on the 7th Oct, but what Israel did in return is off the scale and that cannot be right. Israel had a hand in creating Hamas exactly for this, to put the lives of innocent Israelis and Palestinians at risk and then use Hammas as a reason to invade Gaza. But Hammas are not in the West Bank or Jerusalem so why are the IDF and the right-wing settlers still harassing Palestinians. Why are Palestinians not treated equally. They do not have the same voting rights, they cannot even walk down or drive on certain roads.
Israel's own National Security Minister Ben Gvir wants to rid Israel of all Palestinians, he calls them animals not humans. Do you think what he is saying is correct. There are plenty more videos of him and others within Israel's parliament saying this. This is what everyone is seeing. Some of Israel's own army have turned their back and are speaking up against what Israel are doing, maybe you should listen to what they have to say.
This is what the younger generation are seeing and you will happily call them stupid, which is quite an insult if you ask me. Will you call everyone that doesn't agree with what is happening stupid? I do feel very sorry for you.

Well your post was deleted...why do you think that was?

FTPM1980 · 06/06/2024 14:12

They are entitled to that opinion
It's really no different to handing it to Israel in the first place. And as long as in their version no-one gets hurt or dies its a good plan.

The only reason I don't support that is that it wouldn't work, you would just create an Israeli settler version of hamas, and the Palestinian version of Israeli police and government targeting Jews, and have the same conflict.

I can still believe Jews just as anyone are entitled to live in peace anywhere in the world, but not "entitled" to a state or homeland at the cost of those already there.

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:14

In terms of controlling the media, one of my relatives did a weeks work experience at a local paper when they were at school.....is that the sort of thing you mean?

SeriaMau · 06/06/2024 14:14

I read today that Israel just hit a school with two missiles.
Please tell me why this isn’t a war crime?

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:17

O2AreAShowerofShite · 06/06/2024 13:59

They are no different to the Nazi.

This is anti-semitism.

Did not compare Jews to Nazis. Compared the actions of the Israeli goverment to the Nazis

Why are so many adults unable to distinguish Jew from Israeli and IDF from Jew?

MissyB1 · 06/06/2024 14:17

SeriaMau · 06/06/2024 14:14

I read today that Israel just hit a school with two missiles.
Please tell me why this isn’t a war crime?

It would be if any other Country had done it.

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 14:19

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:17

Did not compare Jews to Nazis. Compared the actions of the Israeli goverment to the Nazis

Why are so many adults unable to distinguish Jew from Israeli and IDF from Jew?

Also antisemitism. See the IHRA definition of antisemitism.

People just can’t get enough of comparing Jews to Nazis, can they?

O2AreAShowerofShite · 06/06/2024 14:19

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:17

Did not compare Jews to Nazis. Compared the actions of the Israeli goverment to the Nazis

Why are so many adults unable to distinguish Jew from Israeli and IDF from Jew?

It’s still anti-semitism. Why are so many adults ignorant of this?

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 14:19

SeriaMau · 06/06/2024 14:14

I read today that Israel just hit a school with two missiles.
Please tell me why this isn’t a war crime?

What’s that got to do with the thread topic?

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:19

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:17

Did not compare Jews to Nazis. Compared the actions of the Israeli goverment to the Nazis

Why are so many adults unable to distinguish Jew from Israeli and IDF from Jew?

Referencing the holocaust in relation to this debate is called holocaust inversion. It is widely considered to be anti semetic.

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:22

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DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:22

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:19

Referencing the holocaust in relation to this debate is called holocaust inversion. It is widely considered to be anti semetic.

What nonsese!

Hoppinggreen · 06/06/2024 14:24

DD19 thinks Israel are committing Genocide and shouldn't exist in its present form but appreciates that its not so easy to go back to the original land that was given to create the country - she did Politics A level and studied The Holocaust and aftermath as part of that I believe
DS16 is at school so can't ask just now but from previous conversations he thinks that Israel is trying to kill all Palestinians. He is quite black and white on it.
They do both have Muslim friends though but no Jewish ones so I wonder if their opinions would be different if it were the other way around

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:24

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:22

What nonsese!

If you're not clever enough to understand the concept I really can't help you

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:24

O2AreAShowerofShite · 06/06/2024 14:19

It’s still anti-semitism. Why are so many adults ignorant of this?

No. It isnt. For starters the settlers in israel are not even semites. Most of them anyway. Cant label any critisicm of Israel and label it anti-semetic. So daft. Is my criticism of certain Irish policies now anti-christian?

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:25

Hoppinggreen · 06/06/2024 14:24

DD19 thinks Israel are committing Genocide and shouldn't exist in its present form but appreciates that its not so easy to go back to the original land that was given to create the country - she did Politics A level and studied The Holocaust and aftermath as part of that I believe
DS16 is at school so can't ask just now but from previous conversations he thinks that Israel is trying to kill all Palestinians. He is quite black and white on it.
They do both have Muslim friends though but no Jewish ones so I wonder if their opinions would be different if it were the other way around

It isnt an issue steeped in religion. That is very much a media bias. The facts are that israel is committing dozens of war crimes and going against international law. Far-right newspapers are mocking the day. Open celebrations of let them burn. Its VILE

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 14:28

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:24

No. It isnt. For starters the settlers in israel are not even semites. Most of them anyway. Cant label any critisicm of Israel and label it anti-semetic. So daft. Is my criticism of certain Irish policies now anti-christian?

Antisemitism is hostility or prejudice aimed specifically at Jews.

How can you not know this?

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:28

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:24

No. It isnt. For starters the settlers in israel are not even semites. Most of them anyway. Cant label any critisicm of Israel and label it anti-semetic. So daft. Is my criticism of certain Irish policies now anti-christian?

Criticising the Israeli government is not anti semetic. Referencing the holocaust and describing them to Nazis is the problem.

It's honestly not that tricky to understand

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:30

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 14:28

Antisemitism is hostility or prejudice aimed specifically at Jews.

How can you not know this?

My point is critisicm of Israeli goverment was not an attack on jews and wasnt anti-semetic

Hoppinggreen · 06/06/2024 14:31

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:25

It isnt an issue steeped in religion. That is very much a media bias. The facts are that israel is committing dozens of war crimes and going against international law. Far-right newspapers are mocking the day. Open celebrations of let them burn. Its VILE

I agree but it is possible that my DC are being influenced by things they see/hear from friends. My town is quite multi cultural but has no real Jewish community so all posters etc they see will be from a Palestinian Perspective.
I am giving no opinion on that and we would not tolerate overt ant semitism (or any other race based hatred) but the findings in the OP do reflect what I see.

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:32

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greenwichvillage · 06/06/2024 14:33

Comedycook · 06/06/2024 14:07

Well your post was deleted...why do you think that was?

Well that's because mumsnet have a habit of deleting posts that are not in support of Palestine, a bit like instagram and Facebook. Its a very one-sided debate. I still stand by what I said. Israel are 100% in the wrong, my views about them have forever changed. I can probably say the same about the young people that I know.

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2024 14:34

DaringlyDizzy · 06/06/2024 14:30

My point is critisicm of Israeli goverment was not an attack on jews and wasnt anti-semetic

You seemed to think that antisemitism was about semites. It’s about Jews.

And comparing the Israeli government to Nazis is antisemitism. You need to read this:

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

greenwichvillage · 06/06/2024 14:34

O2AreAShowerofShite · 06/06/2024 13:50

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. People who’ve lost their silly little heads to this kind of nonsense aren’t worth engaging with.

Says the silly people who have their heads in the sand. We do not believe you anymore, you are no longer the victims in all this.

Aladdinzane · 06/06/2024 14:40

Why can't you compare the actions of the modern day Israeli government with that of the Nazis?

What is the justification of that other than "its against the IHRA definition" which btw has no legal basis.

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