to suggest that every single parent with a child at private school apply for a state school place asap?

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let's see how that works.

It’s a really poor policy. Some people can’t see that but it won’t make the outcomes better.

The OP’s idea has been floated at my DC’s school. It was a helpful way of identifying the fuckwits.

Quite. I would be appalled if any of the parents I know at school suggested this to me.

Goodness me, that's quite the flounce.

Pitting people against each other 😂😂. Hilarious. No, not in the real world. Maybe on MN. This affects a miniscule % of the wealthiest population. Many people in the UK have probably never met anyone who's been to a private school. Most people in the UK couldn't give a shite about this policy.

I'm not a staunch labour supporter. I'm a floating voter. I vote for what I feel the country needs at the time. Some of my family were Tory party members, but resigned in horror over the last 5 years or so, as they saw the vile behaviour of this particular breed of Tory.

And I just think there are far bigger issues than this to focus on at the election.

What a vile post.

I would support VAT on university as well. I think society desperately needs more options for school leavers than just university or work so if you choose to go, you should pay.

When i was at school 20 odd years ago there was 2 options - university or get a job. I think some form of apprenticeship or vocational option would have been far better. Things have improved now but going to university is an option and if you choose it you should pay for it.

There are bigger things to focus on. It’s a shame it’s what Labour are using to garner headlines etc. It won’t be beneficial, bar votes of course, and that’s sad for dc and education.

Its whole point is GE fodder so I agree with you there, they should concentrate on better ways to improve education and generally

Out in the real world I am not seeing much fuss about this topic. It's only on Mumsnet.

That still doesn’t make it anything more than GE fodder with poor outcomes

Tbh I am starting to think @Mum1976Mum is a labour bot planted to try and give private school parents a bad name

Exactly! You understand the school funding model. Very well explained, thank you.

everybody else talking jibberish about how state schools are funded, take note.

Why the need to do that

private schools are business that shall need to step up helping their valued customers that need help

Quite possibly.
But I'll be focussing on other issues when choosing who to vote for. Even though this policy will hit my wallet if implemented

Agreed. Though the right wing press are occasionally losing their minds over it too.

@GivePeaceAChance

"It’s £163.00 per week that a parent will need to earn to pay the extra for one child."

Not using the average secondary school private fee for 2023/24, its about 69 pounds.

Even your numbers based on your assumptions are off, 15 percent of 18,000 is 2,700 pounds, which divided by 52 is 51 pounds a week.

The ISC data is not to be trusted and they have already been accused of misrepresenting the data that they have used.

Sorry, but these changes in numbers will just not happen, its the typical " we will leave if Labour get in" clamouring. It'll never happen, and 99.99% of private school parents will pay the increased fee.

Wow.

It would be insanely foolish to move a child from private to state if they are currently in y10 and will be sitting GCSEs starting in 11 months. This would jeopardise their entire future for the sake of having a toddler strop at the meany mean socialists. Given that the deadline has already passed for giving notice for next term, the additional VAT due on the last 2 terms of y11 would only be £2.5k above their non-VAT expected outlay. They should wait till end of y11 and have their child apply to state 6th form under the normal processes. £2.5k may sound like a lot but it's literally only 6 weeks worth of the £1.5k per month they are dedicating to school fees anyway for that child. Literally all someone in this situation needs to do is apply for a new credit card and run up £2.5k of credit card debt interest-free and pay it off before the interest-free 24 month period ends, by which time they won't be paying fees any more and will have £1,500pm spare income.

But some jobs require a degree, eg teaching, nursing, medicine, vet medicine etc, and we need those professions in our society-they aren’t a luxury.

Agree that post will help to confirm many people's biases about private school parents (and I appreciate many are definitely NOT like this) so sad.

People are keen for emotive reasons that’s why it’s red meat GE fodder

But the ability to see if it’s actually good for education as a whole is lacking.

I have 4 DC and years ago we did the maths to see if private school would be worth it or not. It was pretty clear that private primary was not worth it if you work part time and supplement. At secondary, it was a bit more nuanced especially 11-16. But we moved to an area with grammars so the nuance disappeared. Meanwhile I have had more time for the DC, they have done very well and we have saved the full amounts into their ISAs so they have a house deposit/can do PhDs or travel if they choose that. Even if the Labour Party do away with grammar schools, comprehensives will adapt to stream/set effectively because that is what most parents want and the academies are more than happy to oblige and attract that kind of parent. So whatever politicians spout, it is all nonsense anyway.

I suggest you all do the same. Nobody is going to be grateful to you if you go all out in your careers and pay a ton of tax. Your children are more important and state schools are not that bad. So move them and do what the Labour Party wants you to do. It is far cheaper to tutor. Lots of businesses will spring up quickly to offer the extra curricular which was done by private schools. I do feel sorry for private school teachers and families relying on the private sector for SEN support. But this is what the Labour Party wants you to do.
Meanwhile, the most elite private schools will not cut back their offerings. They will be even more elite for the top 0.5% only. Lots of smaller private schools will go bust but the state sector will pick it all up. The transition will be painful and I do not think the timing is right because we are talking about the Covid generation of children here (in contrast, to the falling birth rate).

My main concern is actually our reputation internationally and the further effect this will have on universities. Because the foreign press will massively pick this up - it is a pretty crazy anomalous policy and the rest of the world will laugh at us again. It seems nobody cares about Education Brand UK too much though anymore.

And that's assuming they were silly enough to send their child to private school and not have any savings in the bank/spare cash after fees are paid. There's no way I would be sending mine if our finances were that tight.

It's not an airport. You don't have to announce your departure.

Scummy brats? The mask well and truly slipped didn't it.

Hold on a mo and and I'll look for some toys you can throw out of your pram.