to suggest that every single parent with a child at private school apply for a state school place asap?

[sarjd]

let's see how that works.

Exactly. Cut down on the chicken nuggets and they 'll be laughing all the way to the bank

That is just crazy to me. Having to move because your local school is full is unimaginable.

@Nanaof1 you will not have to move. Your child may have a long way to travel to school though. Or home education is always a choice.

There are multiple reasons why and next to none of them are 'can't be arsed'. They will, however, be things around the fact that privilege is largely a closed group, those within it coach one another. The children are coached at school by the same system in order to keep them in that system.

The Plebs are very carefully kept out of being In The Know. The gatekeeping is excellent! Really very effective. And if some plebs make it through their experience amongst the childen of The Elite often isn't very good at all.

But honestly, the main reason is most of us just do not want our kids going to private school. And some of us make that decision based off of real world experience of people who have been through private school (and it's a lot!). I can safely say I've not met a single person who's made me want to move my kids from State school. That includes my own DH & several friends.

Urgh can’t anyone see that this is what the party introducing this policy wanted us all to do. To fight over over it with each other, to detract from the other crap they want to bring in or the important stuff that they don’t want to deal with.

Politicians are not interested in any of us plebs on this forum.

All they care about is their own families, careers and wealth (and very generous gold plated pensions after they’ve served, funded by us tax paying plebs). Oh, and their very highly paid after dinner speaking engagements.

Power, status etc etc.

They have enjoyed inflation busting pay rises (paid by us) whilst us plebs have been told by our employers, no sorry no money left.

"But most parents can’t be arsed to do this and then are resentful to those of us who have."

Nah, we just want you to pay VAT for your luxury and stop getting your privilege subsidised by the rest of us.

Maybe private schools should run courses on "how to win friends and influence people" for parents.

urgh

@Mum1976Mum

You sound delightful.

That private education really did well for you.

@Aladdinzane please explain how you are subsidising my children's education, exactly? My taxes pay for state school places that we are not taking so isn't it the other way round, I am subsidising your state school?

Like I said, that is just totally crazy to me. The fact that someone would have to travel a long way to a public school for their child is mind-boggling. As for home education; if people pay tax dollars for education and a school, they should be entitled to go to a school that is, at least, relatively close to them (within the same town/city).

@LiveAtVillaVillekulla

As previously stated, you are possibly making some small contribution towards the cost of educating state pupils, but then so is everyone who pays tax. In the same way that choosing not to put VAT on private school fees is a cost to the state and is effectively subsidising the places.

The private school parents who have been posting such ridiculous hyperbole and scaremongering about a small weekly increase, have cemented my support for Labour's policy.

@YourPinkDog

Indeed.

It is amazing to see what they really think of the rest of us.

Wake up people, this is what is going on in this thread:

divide and rule
phrase of divide

1. BRITISH
2. the policy of maintaining control over one's subordinates or opponents by encouraging dissent between them, thereby preventing them from unitingin opposition.
3. "the politics of divide and rule in society"

You are absolutely right, the private/state school debate crystallises the old class hang ups + this is all our kids we're talking about! Whilst we're busy arguing with each other, we are not questioning the general incompetence and vacuousness of our 'leaders'.

I see, some people do not have children and a portion of their taxes go to subsidise education. But that doesn't explain how no VAT means private education is subsidised?
I pay taxes on my money before I can pay school fees (of which, btw, 20% -yes 20%- go to fund assisted places at our school) it's not money that's funnelled into education without tax implication. And do you really believe that VAT levied on private education will improve anything for anyone? It's just a tax that makes the class warriors very happy, that will be its only achievement.

Your idea of private schools charging for using their facilities is a good idea. Not sure what state schools use private school facilities but they should charge for use.
It is also silly if they are not paying attention to who they are giving reduced fees to, or paying attention and just greasing palms. Some will still need help but the private schools can tighten up the considerations, such as household income, etc.

The U.K. powers-that-be are doing a great job and playing the ends against the middle. They have obviously succeeded, going by MN.

Private school is a luxury. It’s not essential to a child’s education. Therefore it only seems fair that VAT is added to the fees. If you can’t afford the fees with the VAT added then you clearly can’t afford to keep sending your children to private school and will have to send your children to a state school like the rest of us do. Those who can afford to pay for a private education for their children will just continue to do so.

It’s £163.00 per week that a parent will need to earn to pay the extra for one child.

allowing for having to pay tax and ni and assuming parents are in the higher tax bracket
Assuming average fees of £18,000 from the 2022/23 figures
Assuming 15% tax will be passed on to parents as Labour have predicted
Assuming an average of 10% loss of students. That’s taking Labours predicted 3-7% and ISC figures for numbers receiving bursaries @21% and picking a reasonable mid range %.
The loss then shored up by the remaining 9 students.

Its basically a required increase in salary of
£8,500 for one child
£17,000 for two.

etc.

Average salary increase required to pay for one kid is
£8500 pa.
see above post

As an aside people use boarding schools in order to fit in with work or family living arrangements.
Many for example work abroad on a term time or random basis.
The armed forces use boarding for their kids( wonder if Labour have factored in the extra cost to the MOD as well)
People don’t live round the corner and use boarding….obviously

It’s really just a way of pitting people against each other.

Its like the Brexit bus. That huge ££££ figure and everyone shouting why can’t we have that, why do we give all that money to Europe and Wam…..Brexit. It reeled them in . That’s what this policy is doing…reeling people in.

Exactly

Or maybe a class in how to be polite for some state school parents.
Understanding what a subsidy is
and that Education is essential in all societies and is not a luxury.