to suggest that every single parent with a child at private school apply for a state school place asap?

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let's see how that works.

Do you have enough teachers?

Would it be easy to get more?

So which is it? There is actually space and there fore these schools shouldn't lie or there isn't and the schools are lying and its perfectly acceptable still to lie to us?

"However, a Labour spokesman told the Telegraph: “Places that are funded by EHCPs for children with special educational needs will not have a higher cost as a result of VAT.”

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/minister-labour-private-schools-vat-plan-could-push-up-ehcp-rates/

Obviously the details haven't been published but I'd be surprised if they went back on that.

It will affect those on bursaries and those just able to do it.
Which is a lot more than people not in the industry realise
For us with three kids that would be an extra £1050 a month.

So yes I think most people I know at our first PS would be heavily affected and a lot would not be able to afford that. Even for one kid for quite a lot.
Not so much the second school we used but they were mainly a lot wealthier.

To discount this figure is disingenuous…..they already won’t be doing holidays, new cars, and luxuries.

There’s so many threads on this subject with many people talking about their personal experiences and struggles there’s probably no point in me mentioning again ….. So few care about these kids anyway

God you sound like an awful person.

you give all high earners a bad name. And basically encourage people to vote for this policy even more.

I know it’s sad to see

Bravo. Aren't you a super smart budgeter.

All I can say is that I don't trust Starmer on this.

Over the past few years, there has been increased frenzy of articles seeming to want to whip up resentment of children with EHCPs for being costly.

I also think its nuts he wants to do this VAT rise but not raise taxes elsewhere. Mental.

Over the past few years, there has been increased frenzy of articles seeming to want to whip up resentment of children with EHCPs for being costly.

You know that's the Tories, not Starmer in charge, right?

The VAT for my two DC is £800 per month (London day school). That’s a significant amount of money to find with possibly just 2 months notice.

Don't mistake me for a Tory voter.

It was under the Tories I had to fight for 2 years - 2 whole years my daughter went without an education when a child of the same age with no ND wouldn't have - to secure her an education, any education of any kind.

ALL of the state mainstream schools immediately said no.

People here are basically saying this is almost certainly not the case and they could have taken her.

Are you understanding my upset yet?

And yet, under the Tories, she now has an education - but its an independent setting. She has only been attending full time since mid March and already Starmer is threatening it.

Yeah. Don't most parents value stability over stretching themselves and hoping there aren't bumps in the road?

To fully clarify the 100,000 sen kids at private only 7100 have ECHPs and Labour won’t clarify what is actually meant by those 7100 won’t be affected.

The £6000 given by the state to educate these 7100 probably won’t be a taxable amount. But who knows. Labour haven’t said.

This us the extract from your attached doc and as you see it does not say these kids will not be taxed

I don’t think that is what will happen. I don’t think the ex private school parents will have any impact whatsoever on the quality of schools. There are too few relatively and they are scattered. People who can afford it will simply tutor their children to high heaven to get the top marks, ensure their children do tonnes of extra curricular activities and hog all the top university places as the unis can no longer distinguish between the children like they could when they could see private /state divide. I see this policy as actually doing the complete opposite of what it thinks it will achieve.

If you want to look like you are throwing a tantrum then yeah

I don’t think VAT on fees is a good plan, I don’t think it will help funding for state schools and I think some children will have their education disrupted. However stunts are not going to do your cause any good and will just strengthen public opinion against you.

The VAT for my two DC is £800 per month (London day school). That’s a significant amount of money to find with possibly just 2 months notice.

I wouldn't commit to £4k on school fees per month if £800 felt like a significant amount to me.

And how many of them aren’t British and wouldn’t go to a state school in this country if they left.
The school my friend worked at had a lot of Chinese students.

I read this as every "single parent" rather than all parents. I am one and this will hit us very hard.
Not about to put her in with the grammar queen bee bullies though.
Will remortgage instead so I can also keep working.
Not like I'll be leaving inheritance to tax at this rate!

No but it still costs a fortune to raise a child as no one gets judged for it as being privileged. My sibling only had one child because they wanted to send that child private at secondary level. You might disagree with that choice but it was their choice to make. To describe them as rich seems bonkers to me when you compare them to a family with 3 children at a state school. The cost of raising that child over 18 years will be far greater than 7 years of secondary education at a private school.

I don't think the suggestion of every parent applying for school spaces is a good one. I think it will cause an administrative nightmare.

However, I have to say I have rarely seen such hatred on here as that which is currently directed towards private school parents.

State schools are not worried about an influx of private pupils. Most schools have unfilled places in every year. If those places are taken up the school will receive about £6000 per pupil( not sure of exact amount) They would t need to pay more teachers as the NB ew children will mostly, be filling gaps in existing classrooms. Also some of these children, well taught in small classes, with parents committed to their child education, add to the majority of kids in classes who are a pleasure to teach. It is a myth that the State wouldn't cope with extra pupils. What percentage of parents privately educated will actually move their kids into the state sector? Even 50% (or more) is doable. Where there are say 4 private schools in an area there will be far more state schools to spread new pupils into. There are state places available in every area of the UK. Of course new pupils, entering at less usual times can only be offered what is still available. So the outstanding school you would like mat only have ten places. When they're gone they're gone . .but other places in other schools will be offered . With no need for more staff, extra teaching assistants, dinner ladies ext and approx £6000 extra per child coming into the school. I sympathise with parents who may struggle with fees if VAT is added on but these are facts. No axe to grind. My career as a teacher has been in both the private and state sectors. If I could afford private, with smaller classes, leading to more individual attention, I would want this for my children. But truthfully, ever head teacher I know (and I know a few) would welcome with open arms any kids from private schools coming their way.

I understand entirely why you are upset. The conservatives have systematically underfunded state education and catastrophically underfunded special needs education for the last 14 years. The situation is absolutely horrendous. I have every sympathy for your situation. I also, tbh, have sympathy for the mainstream schools that said that they couldn't meet your DD's needs, because I have every reason to believe that they were telling the truth.

That she has an education at a private school under the Tories isn't any thanks to the Tories who will have put obstacles in your way at every turn.

When you say don't trust Starmer on the VAT exemption for EHCPs - I can understand that you don't want to trust any politician.

However, I don't think it would be in Starmer's interests to kick a load of kids on EHCPs out of private provision when there aren't the places for them in state education. Politically, financially, or morally. And they already seem to be thinking about the issue.

I sincerely hope that it all works out and your DD continues to happily attend her school.

Same on both counts. It often includes the dc too which is sad

People DO get judged for having more than one child - it is becoming something only the wealthy can do now having three or more children - just look at the child benefit rules where you don't get it for more than two children!

Thank you.

In all good conscience, I can't vote Labour this year <just in case>> - I also won't vote Tory.

I will just reiterate that most of the schools did indeed say they were full up and not that they couldn't meet need.