To think mumsnet is going to be unbearable for the next 6vweeld

[Exasperatednow]

That's it.

'Peope like you'. That's nice.

If you bothered to read my posts it was about how mumsnet was used not the general election.

So on that basis, how would you define these rich people who are paying for everything? Because you can't means test people to determine whether they pay or not

I understand all those words on their own. But together I have no fucking clue what you're asking. Other than I know you're trying to cast aspersions on someone.

@BIWI what don't you understand? I will try to explain. No need to swear by the way.

Just spit out your agenda. And I'll swear as much as I like!

My understanding is that @Katypp is saying that if you define 'the rich' by disposable income, as opposed to gross income, then it's not going to work, as you'd have to means test who was going to be subject to the higher earners' tax burden. As such, a figure in relation to earnings needs to be chosen, regardless of whether everyone above that salary has high outgoings or not.

Just come back to this. Yes that's exactly what I mean @NoWordForFluffy.
My 'agenda' is to try to dig out what all the posters who are referring to 'the rich' actually mean by this. It's easy to trot out and a left-wing crowd pleaser, but I suspect not many have any idea who 'the rich' are other than it's definitely not them.

Right. I understand. And that, actually, was specifically the point I was making. Except I wasn't making it in a way trying to sneer at those of any political persuasion. It was supposed to have been a straightforward way to answer the question, whilst also showing it was impossible.

Understood @BIWI. So my point is, if it's impossible to define who the rich are, how are they going to pay for everything? I do appreciate you answering me though. I have asked every time someone suggests taxing the rich to pay for spending, but you are the only poster so far who has responded.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/money-mentor/income-budgeting/why-you-might-be-richer-than-you-think#:~:text=Those%20who%20earned%20up%20to,you're%20feeling%20the%20pinch.

In other words, it's all relative.

Which is a different issue from the question you want people to answer - you're looking for an objective definition of 'rich' so that someone who is that rich can be taxed more.

The issue, of course, is that the more you earn then (typically) the more you spend - bigger car, better/more holidays, etc - so even if you're earning £100k you may not have enough left over to feel that you're rich. Although you are demonstrably richer than someone earning £50k.

The UK government/HMRC clearly think that £100k is the point at which you are richer than others, as this is when the tax allowance starts to taper off.

https://www.unbiased.co.uk/discover/pensions-retirement/managing-a-pension/what-is-the-60-tax-trap-and-how-can-you-legally-avoid-it

So, ironically, if you are in this situation, you probably do feel less rich.

I love it - MN entertainment at it's finest. People literally wasting hours and hours of their life posting crap in the hope it will somehow influence the way other people vote. It's hilarious.

Well, in fairness, I’ve seen a fair few posts saying ‘Pretend I’m a child and tell me who to vote for’ and ‘What are the differences between the main parties?’ I’d like to think these were bots, but given the low level of general knowledge manifested by some posters, it’s perfectly possible that a minority of people, adults who are literate and have access to the internet, newspapers, tv, They Work For You etc, are actually getting their ‘information’ from a random anonymous Mner.

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You forgot how dare people enjoy their own garden
Children must be seen and not heard .

I'm loving it! Let's VTFTO!!!! 🙌🙌🙌

Book seats? Where?

How are you doing today @Exasperatednow?

On a plane! Every year, thread after thread.

Thank you for asking. Seen at fracture clinic - trying to avoid surgery. Weekly x rays.
But decided cheerfulness was the way forward.

I did not know that, about posting under a topic will hide them from active. Now I do.

It's unbearable most of the time.

Ah, now we know that Labour has.

Has what?

I am also interested in your thoughts seven months in @BIWI.

Why?