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Should I risk this holiday after all?

34 replies

SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 11:58

I’ll try (and probably fail) to keep this short…

A group of six of us go away together two or three times a year. Sometimes we won’t all go if we’re struggling to get the same time off; sometimes other mutual friends may join us. But it’s us six at the core.

My friends Mike and Louise (married couple) are very close to Louise’s sister, Kate, and she’s been away with us a few times. We all get on really well, so when it was her 30th birthday, she invited the whole group to join her on her birthday weekend away.

The only person going who I hadn’t met yet was a woman called Cathy. Like me, she met Kate through Mike and Louise. I was travelling up with them and all the way they were saying, “I can’t believe you haven’t met Cathy before; she’s so nice, such a laugh, you’ll love her…”

Of course, this was the kiss of death 🙄 I found Cathy rude, domineering and generally a pain. She kept interrupting people, which is one of my pet peeves; she made quite a harsh judgement about one of my friends; some of the things she claimed about herself were at best suspicious and at worst just lies.

On the last day, we were all chatting about our favourite holiday resort, which is lovely but expensive. Mike said “Why don’t we plan in advance for next year and get a big villa? If we book quickly we can get a deal”. Everyone was very keen, including me. Then I heard Mike say, “You’ve never been before, have you Cathy? You’ll love it”.

My heart absolutely sank. It was entirely my own fault - of course he was including her in the invitation when she was sitting right there, but I’d heard “we” and automatically thought of our usual group. I’d been very enthusiastic a few moments before, so I couldn’t suddenly say “Oh well actually, I’m not sure”, but I was already planning my excuses. The thought of a week in a villa with her made me shudder.

However, salvation may have come in the form of procrastination and indecision 😄 Basically every time someone suggests a particular villa, someone else finds a problem: it’s too small, too expensive, too far from town… Anyway, two of my friends have clearly got fed up waiting and have messaged the group saying they’re booking their own accommodation and to go ahead with the villa without them.

Should I do the same? Obviously I’d rather Cathy wasn’t going at all, but it’s not like I can ask for her to be uninvited! So maybe being able to have my own accommodation, and somewhere to escape to when she gets too much, could be the answer. Maybe I’ll find her less difficult in a more relaxed setting - after all, three of my close friends think she’s fantastic, so I could be missing something. Or am I burying my head in the sand?

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 12:36

Hopeful bump…

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Merryoldgoat · 23/05/2024 12:39

I wouldn’t go. I’m too old to waste my holiday on people I don’t like.

Meshka · 23/05/2024 12:43

I wouldn't want to book somewhere separate from the villa, it would isolate you from the group and you may end up spending time at the villa by the pool anyway?

In all honesty apart from her critical judgement of your friend which is nasty and you can call that out at the time to challenge that behaviour, it's the "non truths?/lies?" How does this impact you if she's saying these things and you feel it's rubbish? Does it impact you enough to avoid the holiday? The interrupting can you just carry on talking and saying what you were saying then say "what were you saying Cathy when you jumped in there"

JurassicFantastic · 23/05/2024 12:44

I'd ask the couple who are arranging their own accommodation if you can join them

Leeds2 · 23/05/2024 12:50

I wouldn't go, as I imagine everyone will be spending the days/evenings together anyway. Just being able to sleep in separate locations wouldn't do it for me.

Forgotten22 · 23/05/2024 12:54

I'm sure if you book your own accommodation then Cathy will be relieved too. In my experience when someone dislikes someone as much as you do, they know and don't like you either. I can't imagine she especially wants to spend time with you so why not just book somewhere else and make everyone happy?

SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 13:03

In all honesty apart from her critical judgement of your friend which is nasty and you can call that out at the time to challenge that behaviour, it's the "non truths?/lies?" How does this impact you if she's saying these things and you feel it's rubbish? Does it impact you enough to avoid the holiday?

It’s nothing malicious - more like boasting or trying to impress. For example, imagine someone claimed they were at school with a C-list celebrity and that they were best mates; something that’s plausible enough that people wouldn’t question it (so not like claiming you were best buds with Harry Styles or Adele), but when you look at it, it doesn’t ring true (let’s say said celebrity is actually five years younger/older than them, so even if they were at the same school, it’s unlikely they’d have been great friends).

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 13:05

I wouldn't want to book somewhere separate from the villa, it would isolate you from the group and you may end up spending time at the villa by the pool anyway?

I did think about that, but with one couple having already pulled out of the villa idea, I think if I do too it will gradually fall by the wayside.

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KreedKafer · 23/05/2024 13:20

If two of your friends have already booked their own accommodation, then it won't look weird if you do the same. But clearly, if Cathy is going on the holiday, she is going to be there every time you do anything as a group. You're not going to be able to avoid her even if you have your own accommodation.

If you decide to pull out of the trip, then I think if these are old friends of yours that you've known a long time, you should be honest about the reason. Obviously don't say 'She's a rude, loud, attention-seeking bullshitter and I can't stand her' but you could certainly say 'I think I'm going to sit this one out - I'm sure Cathy's lovely and I know she's your mate, but I've only met her once and she's quite full-on, so I'm not sure I'd click with her if I was spending a whole week with her.'

OrigamiOwls · 23/05/2024 13:45

Unless it was a holiday destination that I was absolutely desperate to go to and would never get the chance again, then I would sit this one out. A holiday with someone that winds you up this much is going to be no fun.

Colombie · 23/05/2024 13:54

You say there are 6 of you - if 2 friends have made their own plans does that just leave Mike, Louise, Kate, Cathy and you in the villa?

If there is another friend left in the villa maybe give them a ring and see how the land lies with them ...

bananaboats · 23/05/2024 14:03

I wouldn't go either and maybe try and arrange something with the core group at a later date.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 14:42

Colombie · 23/05/2024 13:54

You say there are 6 of you - if 2 friends have made their own plans does that just leave Mike, Louise, Kate, Cathy and you in the villa?

If there is another friend left in the villa maybe give them a ring and see how the land lies with them ...

It would be me, Mike and Louise, Mike’s sister and her partner and Cathy. Possibly one other.

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Confortableorwhat · 23/05/2024 14:45

Do the other friends feel the same, and this is their way of avoiding sharing accomodation with Cathy?

I'd see if I can join them.

YorkNew · 23/05/2024 14:47

I wouldn’t go.

Arlanymor · 23/05/2024 14:50

Leeds2 · 23/05/2024 12:50

I wouldn't go, as I imagine everyone will be spending the days/evenings together anyway. Just being able to sleep in separate locations wouldn't do it for me.

This, definitely.

SuncreamAndIceCream · 23/05/2024 14:53

Confortableorwhat · 23/05/2024 14:45

Do the other friends feel the same, and this is their way of avoiding sharing accomodation with Cathy?

I'd see if I can join them.

This was my first thought I have to admit

Confortableorwhat · 23/05/2024 14:54

Arlanymor · 23/05/2024 14:50

This, definitely.

I think it makes a massive difference if you've got your own space on group holidays

StripedTomatoes · 23/05/2024 14:58

I wouldn't go either. Although, check that Cathy is definitely actually going before you pull out!

Colombie · 23/05/2024 15:02

SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 14:42

It would be me, Mike and Louise, Mike’s sister and her partner and Cathy. Possibly one other.

ok basically I would suggest talk to your friends in the original group who are not Mike, Louise, Kate and/or Kate's partner.

You'll likely get more out of a phone call than texts.

The ones who've booked their own might invite you to join them. If another is on the fence you can make a plan together. Or just let it slide this time and maybe try to organise the next one as a smaller group. But you actually used the word "shudder" in your OP which makes this villa sound like a risky choice to use your precious annual leave on.

Ooral · 23/05/2024 15:25

Merryoldgoat · 23/05/2024 12:39

I wouldn’t go. I’m too old to waste my holiday on people I don’t like.

This

SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 15:46

Confortableorwhat · 23/05/2024 14:45

Do the other friends feel the same, and this is their way of avoiding sharing accomodation with Cathy?

I'd see if I can join them.

It’s possible. Although one half of that couple is hyper-organised, so it’s equally possible that he’s thought “FFS, we’ll be waiting forever if we wait for everyone to agree on somewhere” and just went ahead and booked 😄

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5foot5 · 23/05/2024 15:59

Hmm.

If Cathy has now become an "official" member of the group and is likely to be invited to and participates in future holidays, then I think you are either going to have to learn to live with her or accept your group holiday days are over.

LookItsMeAgain · 23/05/2024 16:07

I'd just bow out of this holiday because no matter what, Cathy is going to be involved in some way shape or form, be that sitting around poolside or at mealtimes/going out socially.

I'd just put a message on WhatsApp saying something like this:
"Hi everyone, I think it was my excitement talking when I was at Mike & Louise's recently regarding going away as a group. Unfortunately I will have to bow out of this years trip, so no need to include me on the comms for it. If the situation changes or I'm able to go away later on in the year, I'll let you know - in the meantime, enjoy yourselves"

Step back but don't step away.

cheddercherry · 23/05/2024 16:45

Nah there is nothing worse than a disappointing holiday with someone you can’t stand, even if you sleep somewhere else all your socialising time will be taken over and the dynamic will be different. Plus if you go then it solidifies this being the new group moving forward so I’d probably just coincidentally bow out of plans involving her if she’s that bad.

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