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To think fat equals lazy to prospective employers

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Oldfatbrenda · 20/05/2024 10:23

I've been to a few interviews lately and I can't help feeling at a disadvantage because I am fat. I'm a size 20/22 for context. I think we larger people are judged for it whether it's conciously or not. AIBU? I also feel this because I'm mid forties.... So a double whammy.

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DreadPirateRobots · 26/05/2024 19:04

HebburnPokemon · 26/05/2024 18:21

Paywall.

Can you summarise it please?

Wage data indicates clearly that it is economically rational for women to strive to be as thin as possible, i.e. thin women earn more.

There didn't used to be any correlation with men and now there is, but to a significantly lesser extent than women.

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:07

TheCadoganArms · 26/05/2024 18:25

You made the assertion, you provide the evidence.

Can you not google the words 'weight bias doctors'?

TheCadoganArms · 26/05/2024 19:08

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:07

Can you not google the words 'weight bias doctors'?

In the words of the late great Chris Hitchens:

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

LuluBlakey1 · 26/05/2024 19:12

TheCadoganArms · 20/05/2024 10:40

Significantly overweight people are way more likely to take time off work for health reasons. I would not be entirely surprised if a hiring decision between two similarly experienced and qualified candidates, one a healthy weight and one who was obese the former would get the offer.

Not sure that's true. I have worked with two very large people : 20 st + , and neither was ever off. The ones who were off were the male PE teachers who took to their bed at first sign of a cold and a couple of English teachers who were very wishy washy creatures, plus a teaching assistant who claimed his grandad had died......6 times.

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:14

TheCadoganArms · 26/05/2024 19:08

In the words of the late great Chris Hitchens:

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

In other words, you'd rather lie.

AperolWhore · 26/05/2024 19:15

I recruit for senior and lower level positions and I would nearly always dismiss a “fat” larger person for a role compared to a slimmer person. I speak as someone who used to weigh 22 stone too. I would think
they were lazy

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:19

AperolWhore · 26/05/2024 19:15

I recruit for senior and lower level positions and I would nearly always dismiss a “fat” larger person for a role compared to a slimmer person. I speak as someone who used to weigh 22 stone too. I would think
they were lazy

I'd think I do not know what that person has been through or the cause of their weight so if they can do the job then that is fine by me.

I'd think anyone with that attitude isn't worth working for.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/05/2024 19:23

AperolWhore · 26/05/2024 19:15

I recruit for senior and lower level positions and I would nearly always dismiss a “fat” larger person for a role compared to a slimmer person. I speak as someone who used to weigh 22 stone too. I would think
they were lazy

Pity somebody didn't do it to you before you got into a position where you could fuck over a bunch of others out of spite, really.

TheCadoganArms · 26/05/2024 19:26

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:14

In other words, you'd rather lie.

A curious take.

When debating online the onus is on the individual making the claim to back it up with credible evidence from an authoritative source. Just telling someone questioning your position to go and google something rather then actually provide a link to support your view is a bit lazy and does not exactly win people over to your position.

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:31

TheCadoganArms · 26/05/2024 19:26

A curious take.

When debating online the onus is on the individual making the claim to back it up with credible evidence from an authoritative source. Just telling someone questioning your position to go and google something rather then actually provide a link to support your view is a bit lazy and does not exactly win people over to your position.

Nah I've shown you where to find it, you have chosen not to. There are hundreds of documents. Far too many to link to, you are choosing not to look because you would rather pretend it didn't happen.

I'm not here to win people over. It happens - ppl can chose or not to read it. Pretty simple. Those who do not want to believe it will not believe the research either. They'd rather ignore it.

You have every right to research it. You choose to be lazy and not do that.
I'm not going to lose sleep over you pretending it doesn't happen.

TheCadoganArms · 26/05/2024 19:32

LuluBlakey1 · 26/05/2024 19:12

Not sure that's true. I have worked with two very large people : 20 st + , and neither was ever off. The ones who were off were the male PE teachers who took to their bed at first sign of a cold and a couple of English teachers who were very wishy washy creatures, plus a teaching assistant who claimed his grandad had died......6 times.

Well the link on page one cites a europe wide study involving 122,000 people that suggests that overweight and obese people take more time off work due due to health reasons. There will always be anomalies as you have experienced but the overall trend points towards overweight people taking more time off then healthy weight people.

TheCadoganArms · 26/05/2024 19:35

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:31

Nah I've shown you where to find it, you have chosen not to. There are hundreds of documents. Far too many to link to, you are choosing not to look because you would rather pretend it didn't happen.

I'm not here to win people over. It happens - ppl can chose or not to read it. Pretty simple. Those who do not want to believe it will not believe the research either. They'd rather ignore it.

You have every right to research it. You choose to be lazy and not do that.
I'm not going to lose sleep over you pretending it doesn't happen.

Im not pretending anything. Happy to have my mind changed if presented with new researxh/evidence. Just odd that out of these hundreds of documents you can't link one to back up your claim? An odd way to debate.

AperolWhore · 26/05/2024 19:36

NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/05/2024 19:23

Pity somebody didn't do it to you before you got into a position where you could fuck over a bunch of others out of spite, really.

@NeverDropYourMooncup my old employer did do it to me so I lost the weight and found a new job. I was fat for years and the only excuse is I was lazy!

AperolWhore · 26/05/2024 19:46

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:19

I'd think I do not know what that person has been through or the cause of their weight so if they can do the job then that is fine by me.

I'd think anyone with that attitude isn't worth working for.

@RheaRend it doesn’t matter why they are fat, it’s pure laziness. Eat less and move more, it took me a long time to learn that but it’s pure laziness if you don’t do anything about it.

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:55

TheCadoganArms · 26/05/2024 19:35

Im not pretending anything. Happy to have my mind changed if presented with new researxh/evidence. Just odd that out of these hundreds of documents you can't link one to back up your claim? An odd way to debate.

Oh I can, I am choosing not to link them. Again odd that you are choosing not to want to read them given you are so invested on here about discussing it but can't be arsed to do a bit of reading.

Odd way to debate by declaring things are false without bothering to read.

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:58

AperolWhore · 26/05/2024 19:46

@RheaRend it doesn’t matter why they are fat, it’s pure laziness. Eat less and move more, it took me a long time to learn that but it’s pure laziness if you don’t do anything about it.

Nope I was thin until I was raped. My appearance changed in response to this.

Nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with ensuring I didn't get my throat slit.

AperolWhore · 26/05/2024 20:03

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 19:58

Nope I was thin until I was raped. My appearance changed in response to this.

Nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with ensuring I didn't get my throat slit.

I am very sorry that happened to you and only wish you strength and recovery.

RheaRend · 26/05/2024 20:08

AperolWhore · 26/05/2024 20:03

I am very sorry that happened to you and only wish you strength and recovery.

Thank you, so far it has worked and I am still here.

Now imagine someone judging me as lazy when I have overcome something like that and worked my ass off each day in my employment - overworking as a response to trauma leading me to be the most productive in the team...then someone says you can't have that promotion because you are fat.

You do not know everyone's story - yes some will be lazy but you do not know who is and who has another cause. Treating everyone with respect works wonders. If they can do the job great, if they can't then that is a reason not to hire them.

Oblomov24 · 26/05/2024 20:51

The findings are based on a study of 122,598 people from 26 European countries, who were representative of the 147 million people who were in employment.

Those statistics are very weak.
Spain, Italy and Denmark. 2019.
Plus the BMI of 35+.

Most people I know work jolly hard, and their weight affects them minimally.

What sort of reasons were they off work? Is it directly weight related? Stress from work? MH issues generally?

This all doesn't even wash with me.

cavalier · 21/07/2024 18:35

I think big people do struggle to move as much as. Slimmer person
I have been big and I find I’m moodier and less energetic when I’m bigger
it’s a vicious cycle because eating junk food makes me fat and lethargic… when I’m slimmer I’m more active and less moody because I’m eating food that does not cause sugar highs and lows. So for me it does make me lazier .. its a fact for me but can’t speak for others

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