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How much meat do you eat?

379 replies

lanya · 16/05/2024 16:01

Recently I've noticed in my circles that pretty much everyone is cutting back on meat due to environmental/ climate reasons.

Most people I know aren't vegetarian, but are more aware/ more careful about the amount they eat, e.g. only once or twice per week.

I am wondering whether this is the case generally across the UK, or if most people are carrying on as normal?

YABU: We are eating the same amount of meat as we always have.
YANBU: We have reduced our meat intake over the last few years for climate reasons.

Disclaimer: This isn't any kind of brag or meant to be condescending - I'm just curious.

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Delatron · 17/05/2024 10:50

OneTC · 17/05/2024 10:36

I think for some particularly bad iron harvesters the heme/non heme makes a big difference.

Me and OH have been vegetarian and vegan at different times. I don't notice anything particularly good or bad for myself except I found I ate loads more over all and more frequently. Currently I eat one proper meal a day and prefer to keep it this way.

OH on the other hand, when she's been vegetarian and vegan was initially fine but becomes lower energy and after a while her hair started dropping out, I don't mean thinning I mean 5p sized lumps of it. Her family are varying degrees of religious vegetarians and used to living on a vegetarian diet, so it's not like what she eats isn't good balanced food, there wasn't any food group obviously lacking except... OH started having meat again sometimes, hair stopped falling out, she had better energy. Over time she's tried different supplements, done things to increase her uptake, whatever, all with the same results. Whether it's simply bioavailability or a difference in what heme VS non heme does I don't know. There could yet be a fully meat free way to meet her requirements but she hasn't found it

So on an individual level I think people do need to work out and do what suits them, and only on a community level you can start drawing inferences on overall health benefit, which do seem pretty clear to indicate that a vegetarian or vegan diet is likely a good choice

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This is so true. It’s such an individual thing. I am genetically prone to anemia. I have tried my best from time to time going Veggie/vegan but it just doesn’t work for me. My iron levels fall too low.

I know some people thrive on vegan diets and feel great. Everyone should just do what’s best for them.

Mothership4two · 17/05/2024 10:57

Thank you for that balanced response @OneTC . My disagreement with another poster started over comments that meat is a human need. Obviously it is beneficial for your OH to eat meat but do you think a human would die from lack of meat? My adult DS is very sporty and goes to the gym and his meat diet (which I provide) is the most efficient way for him to get all he needs and stay healthy - plus he likes the taste!

I remember a few years ago there was a lot of talk about the blood group diet - I wonder if there was anything in it or if it was a fad?

Mothership4two · 17/05/2024 11:01

Go back and read everything you wrote @fieldsofbutterflies . What you said originally just isn't true, then you spouted rubbish and continue to do so. I discounted all your points. But you continue.

You are arguing with the NHS advice (that you brought up!) - I suggest you take your own advice and take it up with them.

Most, if not all, people do not need to eat meat there are always alternatives. However, some people may have conditions that make it more beneficial to do so as there are also health conditions where it would be detrimental.

I am not trying to get into a game of one upmanship or point scoring. I really don't care. I'm 'banging on' about your inaccuracies which is pointless as you won't admit to them. But there comes a time when banging my head against your two short planks becomes a fruitless and boring exercise. Enjoy the rest of your day.

fieldsofbutterflies · 17/05/2024 11:01

Obviously it is beneficial for your OH to eat meat but do you think a human would die from lack of meat?

Surely a beneficial diet is about a bit more than "not dying" though Confused

fieldsofbutterflies · 17/05/2024 11:02

You just keep going @Mothership4two you're doing all the work for me 😂

IncompleteSenten · 17/05/2024 11:12

catlady7 · 17/05/2024 10:30

When I see lambs. I always think 'dinner' but they're adorable

Oh they are the cutest! He sent me some videos of them jumping about and wagging their tails like puppies. They are such happy little things and their mamas are so proud. I know that's a human interpretation of course but it's hard to see anything else when they're coming for scritches and bringing their babies over with them like hey look what I did.

fieldsofbutterflies · 17/05/2024 11:19

catlady7 · 17/05/2024 10:32

@fiefieldsofbutterflies I'm not used to being so restricted. I really hope my daughter grows out it so can go back to dairy!!

I can imagine! I’d hate to have to give up entire food groups.

maddiemookins16mum · 17/05/2024 11:20

I love the taste of meat, a medium rare steak is wonderful, a lovely roast chicken, slow cooked pork, crispy duck etc. Do I think about how they are produced, nope, never. I’m not going to lie. I shop at a regular supermarket. For those saying at least use a Butcher, they are becoming a dying breed (pun intended), our nearest is 8 miles away. I can’t ever see me not eating meat, I love cooking it and eating it. It seems people are reluctant to admit it on this thread.

lanya · 17/05/2024 19:06

fieldsofbutterflies · 17/05/2024 09:47

@lanya except they're not a particularly small minority - IBS is on the rise and many people are diagnosed well into adulthood 🤷‍♀️

As PP says, why is it accepted that you can be lactose intolerant or gluten intolerant, but not veggie intolerant? Confused

The number of people who need meat in their diet in order to be healthy is a minority (and none of this is aimed at those people anyway).

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lanya · 17/05/2024 19:13

fieldsofbutterflies · 17/05/2024 10:18

Oh, and an estimated 13 million people in the UK have IBS so it's hardly unusual or rare.

I'd be interested to know how many of the people banging on about how nobody needs meat actually suffers from IBS or anaemia 🤷‍♀️

My husband has crohn's disease and pretty severe anaemia. He's on the highest dose of iron tablets allowed.

We have 2 meals a week at home with fish and the rest are vegetarian. We only eat meat if we are eating out.

He has had more meat in his diet in the past and feels that it makes no difference and he wants to be pescatarian, and that he can meet all of his dietary needs just fine.

13 million people in the UK might have IBS. But having IBS/ Crohn's/ anaemia does not automatically = needing a lot of meat in your diet.

The number of people who need a large amount of meat in their diet for medical reasons is a small minority.

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FourChimneys · 17/05/2024 19:38

None for the past 55 years. Very little before then.

PortalMania · 17/05/2024 19:40

MartinsSpareCalculator · 16/05/2024 16:17

Its much more difficult to get the amount of protein I need/want without eating meat and fish. I try not to consume UPFs, and would need to eat a much greater volume of food without meat.

I don't really understand this? I've been a vegetarian for more than 35 years, really active, very healthy. Think there is a current obsession with protein that is just a fad.

catlady7 · 17/05/2024 19:55

PortalMania · 17/05/2024 19:40

I don't really understand this? I've been a vegetarian for more than 35 years, really active, very healthy. Think there is a current obsession with protein that is just a fad.

Everyone is different.

rinseandrepeat1 · 17/05/2024 20:46

Rarely any meat at all. I have been eating lots of lentil recipes lately which has really slashed my food bill. Lentil Dahl, lentil spag bol, done in the slow cooker. Very low calorie, filling and cheap! Usually have lots to freeze too.

I think I would maybe eat more meat if there was more information about the upbringing of the animals and I could judge the conditions. I don't trust all the RSPCA assured labels and similar as I think the bar is probably set very low and I do care about animal welfare and think we do have a responsibility to not turn a blind eye.

Delatron · 18/05/2024 08:20

We need different levels of protein at different life stages. That’s not a fad.
If you’re going through perimenopause then you need more protein due to hormonally induced tissue breakdown. This can then help manage any weight gain that is common at this stage of life.

Active people need more protein for muscle recovery and tissue repair.

The issue is that the scientific community can’t agree on how much. The NHS recommendations haven’t changed in many years and tend to be one size fits all.

I’m sure many vegetarians and vegans do get enough protein. However as an active perimenopausal woman I find I just need the meat element to top up my protein levels. I don’t want to be supplementing with protein shakes all the time for example. Or eating loads of tofa. I eat some tofu. It’s easier for me to have tuna or chicken for lunch than trying to work out how to get a similar 30g of protein from vegetables and beans etc.

Lilacdew · 18/05/2024 08:24

Fish once a week, meat once a week. Sometimes one or other a third time a week. At least 50% of main meals, all breakfasts and most lunches are veggie.
I'd like to be veggie but I crave meat really strongly. Low iron issues all my life, which might account for it.

GalileoHumpkins · 18/05/2024 08:24

I haven't eaten meat for almost 40 years.

Itsrainingten · 18/05/2024 08:28

Probably about 2 or 3 times a year. I'll eat turkey at Christmas and then maybe once or twice if it's a special occasion and we're out for dinner or something. My 9 year old persuaded us to cut right back as a family a few years ago when he was about 5 I think. Honestly I could have ignored the environmental damage probably but he said something like "what will the world be like for me and my brother when we grow up mum" how could I argue with that?

crackofdoom · 18/05/2024 08:46

WishIMite · 16/05/2024 17:28

I think there's a real tension between "REDUCE CARBS!" which is what everyone on MN says re. diet, and also "REDUCE MEAT!" which is also what everyone claims.

Feck knows how I could reduce carbs AND reduce meat. I'd be gnawing on kale and sad.

35 years a of not eating meat and currently low carbing. It's possible, but I can't deny it's tedious. I'm eating a LOT of Greek yogurt and eggs. Also lots of tofu, Quorn and cheese. I think you'd have to have an iron will to do it as a vegan.

It was a lot easier when I was a pescatarian, but I gave up fish due to unsustainable fishing practices. I've always said that I would eat fish if I caught it myself/ somebody I knew caught it, but despite living by the coast I have not, in fact, gone fishing.

I admire vegans and have tried to go in that direction myself (have oat milk instead of cow, and actually prefer it), but stuck fast on cheese. And with low carbing I've actually gone backwards 😳

YorkNew · 18/05/2024 08:49

35 years a of not eating meat and currently low carbing.

Do you eat fake meat, I think it’s a bit easier if you do, fake chicken stirfry, fake fish and salad etc.

ThinWomansBrain · 18/05/2024 08:54

probably two meals weekly - and more likely to be chicken than red meat.

SpentAll · 18/05/2024 08:55

Awkward here as DS when home from uni likes meat as protein source. So chicken, fish and steak. No processed meat eg mince or sausages.

DD about to go to uni happy with mainly vege but won’t eat most fish.

I like us all to eat together and eat more or less the same thing so I’m not just a short order cook.

So when DS is home it’s more meat-heavy, we plan when DD has gone to eat fish and vege only when they are away.

Sashikocheck · 18/05/2024 08:56

Once or twice a week mostly red meat - we have been reducing but mostly because I find meat lacking and prefer veg dishes.

Mathsbabe · 18/05/2024 09:04

Veggie for 35 year now.

crackofdoom · 18/05/2024 09:06

YorkNew · 18/05/2024 08:49

35 years a of not eating meat and currently low carbing.

Do you eat fake meat, I think it’s a bit easier if you do, fake chicken stirfry, fake fish and salad etc.

Very little. Quorn mince about once a week perhaps.

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