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Greece, Europe and tourism!

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Jennybeans401 · 16/05/2024 06:40

Greece now joins most of Europe in anti-tourism protests aimed at the British.why? Surely tourism is tourism and why focus just on the Brits?

We are booked to go to Greece,I'm shocked.

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SamW98 · 16/05/2024 11:57

MissyB1 · 16/05/2024 11:55

Same here. I’ve gone right off air bnb, we book hotels owned by locals now. We go to Greece every year (different islands or parts of the mainland), we’ve always found the Greeks polite and welcoming.

I’ve been all over Greece fur 35 years and love the country and people.

Off to Lesvos in a few weeks and can’t wait to try somewhere new

MissyB1 · 16/05/2024 11:57

Tourust Tax in Greece has gone up this year. 10 Euros per room per night. But to be fair they call it a climate change tax, it will help pay for the damage caused by wildfires etc. I don’t mind that.

Auburngal · 16/05/2024 12:00

I blame the stag/hen do's. Until 20 years ago, it was OK and fine to go to a restaurant followed by a few clubs/bars. Now if people want something like that, they get mocked for not organising a 4-7 nights away abroad.

Find it very odd how 12-30 people can all book the same week off work and then able to afford the hundreds (or even the low thousands) on flights, hotel, drinks etc. Surely there is at least one friend/close relative that cannot afford to do this.

G123456789 · 16/05/2024 12:03

NeverEnoughPants · 16/05/2024 06:47

Oh I can't blame them.

Other nationalities don't seem to take over a resort and fill it full of places offering their own traditional fare. Many British people go abroad expecting to get a full English, fish and chips, a roast dinner etc, and go to pubs that are a reflection of what they'd get at home. They basically want Blackpool, but hotter.

I can't imagine the people of Blackpool being too impressed if, say, Germans came over, expected everyone to speak German, and everywhere to offer Bratwurst and schnitzel.

Sorry to disagree, but I've come across resorts in the canary islands that have become German only, they withdrew from the old style travel agent and made it impossible to book from the uk.

The fact that many places are seeming to be packed by brits is because we holiday more. All the stuff about how bad economy is doesn't take away from the fact that over 10 million trips were made to Spain alone last year. Hence hotels and restaurants can't ignore the £ and cater for us

Crikeyalmighty · 16/05/2024 12:07

@SamW98 I'm afraid I'm with you on Russian tourists - it tends to only be rich Russians who travel much and the rudeness , arrogance and entitlement to hotel staff was off the scale.

We were once staying at the Rival in Stockholm (lovely hotel owned by Benny Anderson of Abba) - he kicked out a whole floor of Russians who were being utterly awful to the staff and said he didn't care how much they were paying or how many rooms- they could just piss off as he didn't want them in the hotel- love his style!!

Auburngal · 16/05/2024 12:11

Another issue with AI hotels are that they could be anywhere. Have friends on FB who go on these holidays and unsure if they are in the Canaries or Zante unless they put the location on photos or put status "going to Tenerife for a week".

Also don't like people say that they are going to "SSSSPPPPPAAAIIINNNN" on holiday. I bet they cannot find where they are going on the map. I know this sounds rude overhearing customers' conversations but I heard customers moaning about 3 hours transfers from airport to hotel. Well do your bloody research first.

I even go on Google Streetview for the hotels and what the area looks like. Going to Malta in October but the only SV of the hotel (Mellieha) is 2016. Go on touring holidays which I prefer. If you see me by a poolside for 2 hours - shoot me,

LakeTiticaca · 16/05/2024 12:13

annabofana · 16/05/2024 10:44

I probably shouldn't say this, but in light of all the anti-Scottish comments on MN, I will...

It's not "Brits" that give British tourists a bad name. It's English.

It's the lager louts draped in their St George's Cross flags.

As a travelling Scot, stumbling through the native language when abroad, and asked "are you English?", upon replying "Scottish" it is always met with a laugh or a cheer and a derisive comment about the English.

As I say, saying this against my better judgement, as I know many won't like it, but there you have it.

However, I do think this particular issue is more an airbnb / affordable housing issue and I do see their point.

You never visited Blackpool at Glasgow Fair?

Auburngal · 16/05/2024 12:14

Crikeyalmighty · 16/05/2024 12:07

@SamW98 I'm afraid I'm with you on Russian tourists - it tends to only be rich Russians who travel much and the rudeness , arrogance and entitlement to hotel staff was off the scale.

We were once staying at the Rival in Stockholm (lovely hotel owned by Benny Anderson of Abba) - he kicked out a whole floor of Russians who were being utterly awful to the staff and said he didn't care how much they were paying or how many rooms- they could just piss off as he didn't want them in the hotel- love his style!!

Benny needs to own a few hotels in the Costas😆

Auburngal · 16/05/2024 12:18

In Rhodes Town, there were a few Norwegian and Swedish bars there and noticed how lovely the atmosphere was including when a local match was shown on the TVs - as their football seasons are March-Oct to skip the bad weather.

AStepAtaTime · 16/05/2024 12:20

We're rough AF though and the Europeans are cultured and are shocked at how violent and aggressive we are. We're basically a load of pirates, living on a horrid, damp, foggy island. Every "summer" we invade nicer countries with warm climates and lovely food and scenery and proceed to get abominably drunk, vomit in their streets, throw chairs through the windows of their local eateries and engage in pissed up fights poolside whilst our young men shag their way through numerous available prostitutes dressed as condoms or sporting luminous mankinis.

We DEMAND the same kind of haute cuisine we're used to - namely a fry up and chips, and don't engage in their language but shout lounder and lounder in English as we're so fucking stupid that we think increased volume = increased understanding.

Yeah I don't know why British tourists are universally hated. We work hard at it.

Crikeyalmighty · 16/05/2024 12:20

@Auburngal it's a beautifully run hotel - one of my favourites anywhere

Crikeyalmighty · 16/05/2024 12:23

@Auburngal when we lived in Copenhagen it was pretty rare to see yobby behaviour from locals - it was very ordered on the whole-someone once said like a giant Waitrose- and I know what they meant -

Goldenbear · 16/05/2024 12:24

AStepAtaTime · 16/05/2024 12:20

We're rough AF though and the Europeans are cultured and are shocked at how violent and aggressive we are. We're basically a load of pirates, living on a horrid, damp, foggy island. Every "summer" we invade nicer countries with warm climates and lovely food and scenery and proceed to get abominably drunk, vomit in their streets, throw chairs through the windows of their local eateries and engage in pissed up fights poolside whilst our young men shag their way through numerous available prostitutes dressed as condoms or sporting luminous mankinis.

We DEMAND the same kind of haute cuisine we're used to - namely a fry up and chips, and don't engage in their language but shout lounder and lounder in English as we're so fucking stupid that we think increased volume = increased understanding.

Yeah I don't know why British tourists are universally hated. We work hard at it.

Speak for yourself! I have never been anywhere like that.

SamW98 · 16/05/2024 12:30

Goldenbear · 16/05/2024 12:24

Speak for yourself! I have never been anywhere like that.

Ditto. My holiday experiences in Greece couldn’t be less like that.

I actually remember one night in a beach bar a family in football shirts walked in and asked if there was karaoke - Dimitri the owner was absolutely bemused as to what they were asking 🤣 that’s as Brits abroad as it got

MermaidEyes · 16/05/2024 12:36

AStepAtaTime · 16/05/2024 12:20

We're rough AF though and the Europeans are cultured and are shocked at how violent and aggressive we are. We're basically a load of pirates, living on a horrid, damp, foggy island. Every "summer" we invade nicer countries with warm climates and lovely food and scenery and proceed to get abominably drunk, vomit in their streets, throw chairs through the windows of their local eateries and engage in pissed up fights poolside whilst our young men shag their way through numerous available prostitutes dressed as condoms or sporting luminous mankinis.

We DEMAND the same kind of haute cuisine we're used to - namely a fry up and chips, and don't engage in their language but shout lounder and lounder in English as we're so fucking stupid that we think increased volume = increased understanding.

Yeah I don't know why British tourists are universally hated. We work hard at it.

This has made me laugh far more than it should 🤣

Goldenbear · 16/05/2024 12:38

I have Scandinavian heritage and love Copenhagen but I think population size does impact these stats as the whole of Denmark is just under 6 million and to compare and contrast London on its own is just under 10 million, Britain has a population of nearly 67 million - surely this increases the chances of more yobby people being seen abroad and tarnishing our reputations.

Auburngal · 16/05/2024 12:41

I remember as a 10 year old, there was a couple - mid 70s who came down to the hotel dining room in Mallorca carrying a vanity case and it was full of British things -ketchup, brown sauce, marmalade etc.

Goldenbear · 16/05/2024 12:46

Goldenbear · 16/05/2024 12:38

I have Scandinavian heritage and love Copenhagen but I think population size does impact these stats as the whole of Denmark is just under 6 million and to compare and contrast London on its own is just under 10 million, Britain has a population of nearly 67 million - surely this increases the chances of more yobby people being seen abroad and tarnishing our reputations.

Also, considering how wet Britain is especially now with climate change, there will be more heading to a place with sun, sea and sand! I don’t think they are the types to think, “there is no such thing as bad weather just bad clothing” and go to somewhere with average to cold climates.

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 12:48

Goldenbear · 16/05/2024 12:24

Speak for yourself! I have never been anywhere like that.

Same here. What a post

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 12:49

AStepAtaTime · 16/05/2024 12:20

We're rough AF though and the Europeans are cultured and are shocked at how violent and aggressive we are. We're basically a load of pirates, living on a horrid, damp, foggy island. Every "summer" we invade nicer countries with warm climates and lovely food and scenery and proceed to get abominably drunk, vomit in their streets, throw chairs through the windows of their local eateries and engage in pissed up fights poolside whilst our young men shag their way through numerous available prostitutes dressed as condoms or sporting luminous mankinis.

We DEMAND the same kind of haute cuisine we're used to - namely a fry up and chips, and don't engage in their language but shout lounder and lounder in English as we're so fucking stupid that we think increased volume = increased understanding.

Yeah I don't know why British tourists are universally hated. We work hard at it.

Where do you book? Sounds pretty bad

TakeOnFlea · 16/05/2024 13:05

Where the fuck are you going on holiday @AStepAtaTime

SamW98 · 16/05/2024 13:08

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 12:49

Where do you book? Sounds pretty bad

Yes we need to know do we can avoid like the plague

user411966691966 · 16/05/2024 13:09

Brits are no longer liked in much of Europe post Brexit

Do you think that's what the issue is? I'm not so sure. We contributed lots to help build up/support Greece, Ireland, Poland etc, I'm sure they wish us well and don't harbour childish grudges.

Anyway if we still had FOM imagine how many Brits would move there - I know, tons. Because there's a thread every week with people lamenting they can no longer live in the sun and they want to leave the UK immediately as it is raining. So imagine how much worse it could be with that lot added into the mix.

I think the locals are targeting their wrath at tourism in general and this means other nations. Maybe FOM comes into it or immigration. There could be slogans in different languages but we are all too thick to understand them!

SamW98 · 16/05/2024 13:10

Though I have to say we drove through Malia once just to see what it was like and at midday it resembled a low budget horror movie. Hardly anyone about and those who had made it out of bed were shuffling along like zombies.

Goldenbear · 16/05/2024 13:25

SamW98 · 16/05/2024 12:30

Ditto. My holiday experiences in Greece couldn’t be less like that.

I actually remember one night in a beach bar a family in football shirts walked in and asked if there was karaoke - Dimitri the owner was absolutely bemused as to what they were asking 🤣 that’s as Brits abroad as it got

I’ve never actually been to Greece, my DH and DC are desperate to go but I am hesitant as will probably be too hot and I wouldn’t want to be thought of like this, most why I visit countries in Northern Europe and feel a calling to my roots. Greece does look beautiful though!