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Aibu to think some people try to raise their social status by virtue signalling?

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Primroseoil · 14/05/2024 23:44

Aibu to think some people try to raise their social status by virtue signalling, going green or vegan etc? I know the majority of people have genuine reasons but I feel a minority are just virtue signalling, trying to raise their social status or fit in with a certain cohort. Aibu?

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ThisOldThang · 15/05/2024 13:30

MagnetCarHair · 15/05/2024 12:21

Okay, but say you were signposting your intolerance for animal cruelty by advocating and moralizing for the kind of welfare standards that would see the price of meat rocket and put of reach of people struggling with food budgets. That may not be an issue for them, they have a healthy income and they only buy the high welfare options at the local farmer's market anyway, blah, blah, blah. But the cost of their principles is dumped on the shoulders of those without their means and with no additional material burden on themselves.

Then there are the principles that cost them nothing at all but others pay a high price for the social fall out. Uncapped immigration levels that puts overwhelming pressure on local services somewhere else that they don't have to think about and gender woo in which the effects of agreeing that up is down are landing on some other women they don't know, those in prison and domestic violence shelters.

I think this is a major problem - i.e. lazy thinking.

People that don't really think for themselves just tag along with the prevailing groupthink. All the things you've mentioned sound 'nice', but actually have negative real world impacts.

We live in a world of online bullies that harass anybody that dares to think differently. People have to be mentally strong enough to reject the prevailing zeitgeist.

Just look at the posts on Mumsnet, where people say they would reject any potential partner for their political views (Brexit, Tory, etc).

It's far easier for people to just go with the flow, but where's that got us as a society?

Thepeopleversuswork · 15/05/2024 13:55

@LadyHavelockVetinari

Your post is spot on. It’s very noticeable that it’s only called “virtue signalling” when it’s seen to be a left wing or socially progressive or liberal cause.

Isn’t any kind of expression on social media “signalling” something? If I post a picture of my cat I am “signalling” that I like my cat. If I post a picture of my expensive holiday in the Maldives or my sports car I am also “signalling”. Or indeed a socially conservative cause. Or a bog standard charity fundraising.

All of it is “signalling” something. For some reason people are more offended when other people “signal” stuff that makes them question their own moral values and I think the real question is why it makes them uncomfortable.

MagnetCarHair · 15/05/2024 14:02

Of course the right wing conservatives have opinions that curry favour with their like-minded peers to the detriment of others. Bloody hell, how about pro-life philosophies and building an over zealous narrative of genetics to suggest that people are inherently flawed and beyond the help of state interventions?

It's signalling when you use your opinions as a staging post to build your status. You can't do that with a cat photo. Although, if it were, given their carbon footprint and regard for the local environment, I expect they'd lean to the right.

Rollinroller · 15/05/2024 18:52

MagnetCarHair · 15/05/2024 12:45

I'm just saying that this is one of those opinions that acts as a mechanism to flag your principled outlook for the approval of your peers with very little cost to yourself - but with an enormous burden on others.

Personally, I think conspicuous opinion-waving to galvanize your status is a dick move.

The cheap meat industry disproportionately disadvantages the world’s poorest people, who eat very little meat, so I’m not sure this is the best argument.

Bananananananananana · 15/05/2024 19:01

Yeah, I'm kind of fed up of COL being used to shut down any ethical subject.

imo:
Eating cheap meat is a privilege. Admittedly, it's hard to know what it truly ethical and it usually costs a bit more, so it's not straightforward.

But nobody needs £1.50 frozen chicken nuggets from Lidl. Nobody needs to eat meat everyday.

Organic milk and eggs cost more, but most people could still afford it if they wanted.

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