To hate the vacuousness of some young girls nowadays?

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I find it so sad. 12 year olds obsessed by beauty brands, TikTok, doing their hair for school, fake tan, ridiculously short school skirts, it all seems so sad. And they are clones. Room in their heads only for brands

i know this is not all of them.

Contact with them? So you get a snap chat of their social conversations - not an actual view of them as rounded humans.

Yup - we are a fairly hard up single parent family - all my kids go/went to RI state schools!

I know your point is the opposite, you absolute donut.

I'm saying you're wrong.

Yes 12 and 13 year old girls like short skirts and make up. As the always have. They also do sport, play instruments, read books and numerous other things.

If you are judging young girls based on their appearance then YOU are the problem, not them

With respect, there is no “trap” about understanding the importance of skincare and good skin hygiene. In France they have facialists, and girls as young as twelve are taught the importance of skincare and go for facials. It’s about looking after oneself naturally, from a young age, not putting lots of products on young skin (my daughter certainly isn’t) - using sun protection from a young age and being skin aware. That is what I meant with brands, that is what I meant by my influence. The opposite of putting rubbish on her skin.

My post isn’t about “intelligent grammar school girls”… ”It’s probably poor girls”.

This is surely a wind-up.

It’s always been the case that misogynists trivialise and belittle teenage girls.

Nothing changes.

Maybe I’d like girls to think about other things than the on brand skincare to buy, at 12

Many of these answers are so disingenuous: people would not be happy if this was all their daughters thought about

I said we were intelligent, fashion-obsessed, "vacuous" grammar-school girls. You made up the popping into Boots in between discussing issues of the day 😂

Most discussion around issues of the day happened in school and at the family dinner table. You could always take that leaf out of my parents' book, since you're already echoing their other concerns.

My view as well. Jumped the shark with the grammar school stuff

What changes is the power of social media to manipulate children

No but I think the fashion is on the next level now - when I was a teen in the 2000s to look ‘dolled up’ you just needed make up, hair straighteners, some nail polish and a fashionable outfit from New Look (maybe body glitter if you were going the whole hog 😉) but now it’s fake tan, extensions, lashes, LVL, acrylics, expensive products, lip filler, clothes which cost an absolute fortune (£200 North Face jackets! A world away from Tammy Girl), £100 trainers, designer bags… it’s mental. Not to mention a chemically nightmare, just imagine the shit they’re pumping into their lips and the effects it will have on their health in 10 years 🤯🤯

And I don’t know if I’m the only person to notice but they seem to think it’s cool and fashionable to look miserable, have ‘resting bitch face’ and act in a surly and indifferent way.

It’s all quite sad actually. They should go back to cheap and naff fashion and prank calls, they’ll all feel better for it.

That was in reply to a “grammar school’ post

We don’t even have them here

THEY DO!

And what do you do to help the situation? Do you encourage them? Tell them they are smart and capable? Or just sneer at them because that's more fun for you.

😂

You cannot possibly have full first hand experience of you are an adult. Firstly you aren't with those girls all the time. Secondly they will be filtering conversations when you are around. Thirdly you don't know their conversation or interests as expressed outside of the group. In short- whilst you are at pains to stress not all of them- you don't know any of these girls well enough to be making the assertions you are.

I do not sneer at them.

I think what makes me laugh about this thread is that it confirms everyone thinks the youth of the current generation is the worst ever and you cannot see the pattern. It was ever thus.... you haven't made a special or insightful observation. You've made the same observation that every generation has ever made and probably always will!

I agree - my mum never used any kind of skin care until she got cellulitis in her face due to cracks letting gardening dirt in! She now uses moisturiser!

Looking after your skin is not a bad thing - especially when you build in sun protection

Not true. Close association, hence my sadness

I agree and I think it's sad. No childhood either.

It's also strange going into classrooms of primary schools and the kids all with their £45 Stanley cups too. Nail polish too or gels or whatever.

Madness

Exactly! I loved short skirts and boys as a teenager back in the mists of time. I also read shakespeare for fun.

My daughter also loves short skirts and is an absolute book worm. She has loads of interests and wants to be an architect when she grows up.

She gets lots of book recommendations from - gasp - tik tok

Op, this is MN. People HATE any kind of sweeping generalisation even if it’s true and they never ever admit sometimes times change, things are different now to 20 or 30 years ago (no shit, why is it so surprising?). And OP is always wrong. So, between all that you were always going to be stuffed! But I agree with you and so do the votes which is where people hide their views!

I am the queen of skincare

This is not my point

my point is the following of expensive and inappropriate trends in beauty by young girls