To think sportswomen shouldn’t have to forfeit competitions because male fckers are stealing their places?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/darts/article-13387345/Im-not-playing-man-womens-event-Female-darts-star-FORFEITS-tournament-refuses-face-transgender-player-calls-ban-won-two-womens-titles.html

What a strong woman.

Why is it ok for men to ‘appropriate’ being women? Why is this not ‘sex appropriation’? Any other other form of ‘appropriation’ is unacceptable, it seems. Why are women supposed to accept this. Slight detour but applicable.

YANBU - Males should not be in female sports

YABU - Live and let live, males in female sport are just trying their best and mean no harm.

I can't see any reason why a proper woman cannot go on to beat the best man in the world.

What the hell is a "proper" woman?

I wonder how men would feel about losing their category? Would they not mind , as they would still win, or would they mind?

But anyway, the trans identified males would not like it, because apparently when women lose and lose out on places women should not mind as it happens to so few of them. But when a (trans identified) male loses to other males, this is awful, just awful, and unfair and discrimination and some sort of sport genocide against trans people.

Trans identified men don't want an open category as they will never win. Just like most trans identified females stay in the women's category.

Like I already said in my first post

blokes should not be competing in female events

If I could type it in a massive font, you might not miss it then.

A proper woman is just that. Not a bloke with a dress on saying that he is a woman.

There's already a word for that. Woman. It doesn't need any prefix. A man in a dress is a Trans Woman, regardless of whatever he says he is.

This is happening increasingly - two I heard of recently were junior fencing and dressage.

I still think the solution, much like the loos, is to have 3 options, or 4 if Trans Women don't want to be confused with Trans Men. Increase the options and spaces, not reduce and certainly not force the target group to withdraw to make a valid point clear to people refusing to listen.

Dressage (and other equestrian sports) are very rarely, if ever, split by male/female... it's one of the few sports where men and women are able to compete against each other on a level playing field, as it were

Interesting study here looking at increased risk of Muscoskeletal damage to women v men - I think it's relevant to darts.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4589903/

The higher prevalence of neck/shoulder WMSD in women can generally be attributed either to sex differences related to anthropometry and strength, or in aspects related to motor control 11] . The anthropometry and strength differences have been well described before. For example, it has been shown that men have a higher muscle strength and aerobic capacity 12] , exert more torque, work and power during functional work tasks 13] , and produce less effort and muscle contraction for the same task 14] , as compared to women. Specifically in the neck/shoulder region, it has been shown that women have weaker and smaller necks compared to men of similar height 15] , have a lower strength and 45 % less muscle cross-sectional area in the biceps brachii 16] and have a different shape and anatomy of glenoid fossa

Thanks - I probably have it wrong as it was a friend's kid competing who was a girl and the winner was apparently trans girl in a girls league (I'm not horsey!).

Do the sports clubs not ever think adding more options would increase interest? I bet the Trans community would be a supportive one if they had their own leagues. It can't be worth putting off athletes that clubs have trained all of their lives.

Perhaps it's time to get the Terminator out to do track and field events against the lads at the Olympics?

This is where the 'transwomen are women!' brigade gets you. And there are plenty on here. Surprised the usual suspects haven't popped up.

Just to summarise the link I've posted above - in relation to darts, a woman performing the same movements will need to make more physical effort for each throw, which over the course of a game (which are long) is going to have an impact, putting them at physical disadvantage and at increased risk of injury.

10 years ago it would have been entirely uncontroversial to say women deserved their own category and men infiltrating that are cheats. What the hell happened?