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To not know any of Labour's policies apart from VAT

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changewashing · 05/05/2024 16:35

Have they got any others?

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SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 10:09

They found that the vast majority of Britain’s extremely wealthy people would never leave the country for tax reasons, partly due to the stigma involved in doing so.

That's because - despite the wailing and gnashing - the UK is a fuck sight safer than (say) Mexico where 3 tourists ended up with a bullet in the head for trying to stop their tyres being stolen.

I am developing a theory that "great" leaders who are remembered well are those who were able to articulate what the populous think. With that in mind, I think there is an entire countries worth of love for the political leader who stands up to these billionaire bozos and waves them off at Dover. "Fuckity bye then.". Gets my vote.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 06/05/2024 10:11

changewashing · 05/05/2024 16:35

Have they got any others?

Yes, they have other policies that you will only learn about once they have their feet firmly under the table

Ask them re deporting boat/illegal immigrants
Ask them how they will fund their dreams

You may then have a clearer answer but will they stick to that and we all know the answer

Churchview · 06/05/2024 10:18

“Given the choice, I would still like to live in the UK. I like the deep-rooted democracy in the country."

..........so long as that democracy goes my way and, also, I don't want to pay for it.

Churchview · 06/05/2024 10:24

The NHS would do far better if it made more attempt to cut back on "health tourism", but that seems to be an issue that no government wants to address.
OK it's only (?) £300-400 million but it's a lot easier to manage if the will is there.

I'm sure the Conservatives have taken great strides to deal with this issue during the last 14 years.

From what I read I don't think the Tories are even sure how much money is spent on 'health tourism' or indeed, how many of those having treatment are British expats returning for NHS medical treatment.

Tripeandonions · 06/05/2024 10:28

Churchview · 06/05/2024 10:18

“Given the choice, I would still like to live in the UK. I like the deep-rooted democracy in the country."

..........so long as that democracy goes my way and, also, I don't want to pay for it.

Interesting.

But not everyone agrees...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

Churchview · 06/05/2024 10:31

@Tripeandonions
That article is over 18 years old. What point are you trying to make with your 2006 article?

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 10:35

What's 40% of 4.4% ?

Tripeandonions · 06/05/2024 10:39

Churchview · 06/05/2024 10:31

@Tripeandonions
That article is over 18 years old. What point are you trying to make with your 2006 article?

That not everyone in UK supports democracy.

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 10:39

Sunshineandpinkclouds · 05/05/2024 17:15

Ignore the sarcastic comments.

There is no manifesto so we don't know details of their policies yet only a rough guide. When the GE is called then all parties will issue their detailed manifesto.

There is a manifesto.

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 10:42

Tripeandonions · 06/05/2024 10:39

That not everyone in UK supports democracy.

Define "democracy" first.

A really good way to waste everyone time - and stir up a lot of emotions - is to have a debate over something which means different things to different people.

"Democracy" is a great example. What does it even mean ?

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 10:42

They basically have "5 missions", OP.
If you go on the drop down menu on the top right, you can read what the plans are.

Churchview · 06/05/2024 10:44

Tripeandonions · 06/05/2024 10:39

That not everyone in UK supports democracy.

Interesting, but I'm not seeing the relevance to the discussion about paying tax in the UK.

The quote about democracy came from the person described in the link you posted.

TheBanffie · 06/05/2024 10:44

Looking at the linked policies it had to be said some of those are undeliverable - doubling the number of CT & MRI scanners?? In the entire UK? A new MRI scanner is easily a million pounds, and that doesn't cover having more radiographers and radiologists to do and report the scans! Paying doctors to see to outpatient appointments on evenings and weekends - well we can already do that, but again hugely expensive and for consultants earning more and being hit with a huge pension related tax bill is a real worry as Labour have also said they will reverse changes to pension allowances. And frankly I don't want to work more evenings and weekends, and the NHS can't make consultants do uncontracted work.

They also pledge that you will be able to request to see the same GP every time- presumably the magic money tree has regrown as a magic tree flowering with fully formed GPs.

I typically vote Labour but these pledges look absolutely wild.

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 10:47

A new MRI scanner is easily a million pounds,

Or one asylum seeker to Rwanda. Or one Rish! jet trip to Edinburgh.

Or 1/1,000th the billions that went to useless PPE mates in Covid.

How come no one ever asks where the Tories get the money ? Keir asks someone to pop out for an ice cream and it's a 20 episode documentary on Netflix.

pizzaHeart · 06/05/2024 10:49

pointythings · 05/05/2024 16:56

There's this amazing thing called 'Google' which lets you look it up. Do try it.

If you mean there's no manifesto - that's because no election has been called yet.

The government have form for nicking Labour's good ideas, so until a date for a GE is set, they're keeping it quiet - but their website will give you some good ideas of the direction of travel.

This 100% ^
I wouldn’t mention even my morning routine in the presence of this government worrying that they might steal my ideas.

However there are lots of pointers here and there so if you are interested and listening Tv/radio programs it helps to get the knowledge about Labour views.

Allergictoironing · 06/05/2024 10:53

Amusing a Tory supporter, so presumably someone happy that Rishi Sunak is PM, should refer to Keir Starmer as "little" 😁

I used to be Tory blue through and through. However over the life of the current government I have gone from not voting to voting Labour.

I don't recognise the current Tory party as anything like they used to be. It used to be stuff like basically those who strived hard would get rewarded, fiscal common sense etc, with a tiny bit of pragmatism thrown in.

Today they seem to be in full on idealistic mode of the Victorian era - I'm waiting for them to introduce the equivalent of workhouses. Examples of this are things like the assumption that anyone out of work for whatever reason is a skiving good for nothing manual worker rather than maybe an executive who's been made redundant or someone who's got mental health issues.

They genuinely don't seem to grasp that things like cost of living increases, that mean their ilk have to maybe cut back one of their 4 overseas holidays a year (maybe the Easter skiing trip?), or only replace their top of the range car every 4 years instead of every 3, mean poorer people have to get into debt to heat homes & eat properly.

Possibly the biggest lack of understanding on their part has been the impact of a combination of high inflation and high interest rates on lower income people, and their total lack of comprehension that though in the past high inflation could be countered by increased interest rates as the inflation was due to people spending more disposable income, this time the causes are very different so the approach to reducing inflation need to be different. Previously higher interest charges meant people waiting longer to buy new stuff, or only booking holidays once they'd saved up enough. The cost of living increases had already meant that people were cutting back where they could, the higher interest rates lead to people being made homeless as they couldn't afford their higher rent, or defaulting on mortgages.

To give you an idea of this impact on home owners, just before the interest rates were increased the interest on my mortgage was around £300 a month, now it's around £900 - where the hell am I supposed to find an extra £600 a month when I'm on a salary in the low £20k's? I might also point out here that part of the cause of the raging inflation was the budget brought in by a Tory PM...

So I will be voting Labour again this year. I don't agree with all of their policies, but better a party that seem to have some understanding that not everyone on a low salary or out of work is there due to laziness, and also seems to have a touch of pragmatism, rather than being led by ideology.

Keir Starmer has repeatedly said that they won't make promises they don't know whether they will be able to keep, and they won't know what is and isn't affordable until they get their hands on the books.

TL:DR - Tories are ideological Victorian era bastards, Labour can be pragmatic & bother to look at the impact on all.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/05/2024 11:01

Allergictoironing · 06/05/2024 10:53

Amusing a Tory supporter, so presumably someone happy that Rishi Sunak is PM, should refer to Keir Starmer as "little" 😁

I used to be Tory blue through and through. However over the life of the current government I have gone from not voting to voting Labour.

I don't recognise the current Tory party as anything like they used to be. It used to be stuff like basically those who strived hard would get rewarded, fiscal common sense etc, with a tiny bit of pragmatism thrown in.

Today they seem to be in full on idealistic mode of the Victorian era - I'm waiting for them to introduce the equivalent of workhouses. Examples of this are things like the assumption that anyone out of work for whatever reason is a skiving good for nothing manual worker rather than maybe an executive who's been made redundant or someone who's got mental health issues.

They genuinely don't seem to grasp that things like cost of living increases, that mean their ilk have to maybe cut back one of their 4 overseas holidays a year (maybe the Easter skiing trip?), or only replace their top of the range car every 4 years instead of every 3, mean poorer people have to get into debt to heat homes & eat properly.

Possibly the biggest lack of understanding on their part has been the impact of a combination of high inflation and high interest rates on lower income people, and their total lack of comprehension that though in the past high inflation could be countered by increased interest rates as the inflation was due to people spending more disposable income, this time the causes are very different so the approach to reducing inflation need to be different. Previously higher interest charges meant people waiting longer to buy new stuff, or only booking holidays once they'd saved up enough. The cost of living increases had already meant that people were cutting back where they could, the higher interest rates lead to people being made homeless as they couldn't afford their higher rent, or defaulting on mortgages.

To give you an idea of this impact on home owners, just before the interest rates were increased the interest on my mortgage was around £300 a month, now it's around £900 - where the hell am I supposed to find an extra £600 a month when I'm on a salary in the low £20k's? I might also point out here that part of the cause of the raging inflation was the budget brought in by a Tory PM...

So I will be voting Labour again this year. I don't agree with all of their policies, but better a party that seem to have some understanding that not everyone on a low salary or out of work is there due to laziness, and also seems to have a touch of pragmatism, rather than being led by ideology.

Keir Starmer has repeatedly said that they won't make promises they don't know whether they will be able to keep, and they won't know what is and isn't affordable until they get their hands on the books.

TL:DR - Tories are ideological Victorian era bastards, Labour can be pragmatic & bother to look at the impact on all.

They would be called national employment centres offering accommodation and support into work while also offering value for money for tax payers and the Tory cheerleaders on here would lap it up 🤣🤣

Allergictoironing · 06/05/2024 11:36

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/05/2024 11:01

They would be called national employment centres offering accommodation and support into work while also offering value for money for tax payers and the Tory cheerleaders on here would lap it up 🤣🤣

Of course you would be expected to pay for your keep while in these National Employment Centres, spending every penny you do earn and building up debt if you can't get a job. Obviously if you actually own anything when you become unemployed you will be expected to sell that to live on until you run out, and that will include your home if you own that (or mortgaged).

JessS1990 · 06/05/2024 11:53

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 10:40

Have you signed up to recieve Labour's manifesto when it is published after Sunak gets around to telling us when the GE is?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/05/2024 11:57

I think the first thing Labour should do is open up some Copium and Salt mines the Tories are going to need the former while providing metric tons of the later, there's £8475743 billion right there

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 11:58

JessS1990 · 06/05/2024 11:53

Have you signed up to recieve Labour's manifesto when it is published after Sunak gets around to telling us when the GE is?

What do you think?

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 12:00

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 10:47

A new MRI scanner is easily a million pounds,

Or one asylum seeker to Rwanda. Or one Rish! jet trip to Edinburgh.

Or 1/1,000th the billions that went to useless PPE mates in Covid.

How come no one ever asks where the Tories get the money ? Keir asks someone to pop out for an ice cream and it's a 20 episode documentary on Netflix.

I'm glad to see that's one of Labour's pledges, to have an enquiry into who profited from covid and how. Then recoup some money.

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