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Is my cousin being a CF?

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ncob · 03/05/2024 14:38

Currently visiting a cousin in the states for her graduation. Flown from England (as she was sad her parents live in Asia and nobody could make it). Since being here she has prioritised glamming up & going out with friends. Have paid a bomb to get here, pay for almost all meals/ drinks so far but her schedule is to be up all night / sleep in the day. Lives a spoilt brat lifestyle of spending 3 hours (no exaggeration) glamming up, getting Ubers to bars and drinking cocktails. I’m only here 3 nights (2 done) and can’t wait to get back soon enough. Conversation has been easier with her flatmates than her. Shes always on her phone- I felt awkward and told her not to let me stop her from having her fun/doing whatever she wishes and with that she was out the door at 11 last night after we got in from food/drinks. Very confused and don’t know how to handle it today - it’s 9.30am, still waiting for her to get out of bed which I’m not expecting till at least 1, likely 2pm. Overheard her complaining about me being here to a flatmate. Do I try and talk things through or bide my time till flight back..

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SummerInSun · 03/05/2024 15:46

I agree, I wouldn't bring it up. It will just do damage to your relationship going forward. Perhaps make a big effort today to ask her what she'd like to do and try to fall in with it. Or tell her you are happy to hange with her or do your own thing, whichever she prefers, and see what she says.

Metrictum · 03/05/2024 15:48

I’d definitely bring it up.

You don’t need to be confrontational but just be enquiring and that you would like to ensure the trip ends on good terms and are a bit confused what you have done to make her feel uncomfortable that you are there.

Not saying anything won’t make this trip end on a high- you will be left feeling upset and wondering. Why should you feel like that when you don’t appear to have deviated at all from plans agreed on both sides.

Metrictum · 03/05/2024 15:49

SummerInSun · 03/05/2024 15:46

I agree, I wouldn't bring it up. It will just do damage to your relationship going forward. Perhaps make a big effort today to ask her what she'd like to do and try to fall in with it. Or tell her you are happy to hange with her or do your own thing, whichever she prefers, and see what she says.

Isn’t the relationship damaged now anyway?

How would OP feel she can be safe and trust in their relationship after this experience without some explanation?

ncob · 03/05/2024 15:50

@SummerInSun thank you, I’ve been doing this the whole time though. I am think she’s not decisive at all and I’ve no idea what the options ever are so we go round in circles (with the - “I don’t mind, I don’t mind” etc).

i just feel hurt so I’m finding it hard to be super nice. Also I’m British and can’t convey my friendliness in the same way as the Americans if that makes sense. Nobody has ever had an issue with my friendliness before though.

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ncob · 03/05/2024 15:53

Ok so if I decide to talk about it - what do I actually say so it’s entirely non confrontational and most likely she’ll respond to well?

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AcrossthePond55 · 03/05/2024 16:48

ncob · 03/05/2024 15:53

Ok so if I decide to talk about it - what do I actually say so it’s entirely non confrontational and most likely she’ll respond to well?

I don't really think there's a way to guarantee that, but your best bet would be to take the 'blame' all on yourself right from the start, regardless of who is at 'fault'. And I wouldn't tell her you overheard her talking about you, that will immediately put her on the defensive.

The closest I can think would be to say something along the lines of "Cousin, you seem a little 'off' with me so I think I must have upset you somehow. Would you like us to talk about it?" and let her take it from there. But be prepared for her to either brush it off entirely or give it to you with both barrels. And have a plan as to what you'll do either way. If she brushes it off, I'd accept her at face value and 'carry on bravely', after all it's only a bit over 24 more hours, right? And you can always leave for the airport 'early'. But if she decides to give it to you with both barrels or cop an attitude that's going to create a terrible atmosphere for the rest of your visit. What would you do if she actually asked you to leave? Are you prepared for that?

Personally, I'd take the coward's way out, say nothing, and perhaps contact her after I got home to clear the air. And I'd be sure to remember this visit before planning to visit her again.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 03/05/2024 17:04

What did she actually say?
If it was "urgh I invited Ncob here for my graduation and to spend time and she's always judging me/she never comes out with us and its so boring" then ... she may have a point

You said you've broadly stuck to the itinerary so what else were you expecting?
She's celebrating- you're being judgy with your comment about "spoiled brat" for taking 3 hours to get ready and going out.

I'm glad you stayed. Its one more night. That's all. Just go and party with her and enjoy yourself. Take 3 hours to get ready and enjoy it

Pudmyboy · 03/05/2024 17:26

MonsteraMama · 03/05/2024 14:59

You haven't answered whether you were actually invited or not. Did she explicitly ask you to come in place of her parents and stay in her home for 3 nights?

If I'd confided to one of my cousins that I was upset my parents couldn't make it to an event, I'd be a bit bemused too if said cousin then turned up on my doorstep.

That aside, she sounds like a typical 20-something coming to the end of her education and partying it up while she still can. I'm not sure how she's acting like a spoiled brat, if she wants to take 3 hours getting ready then go out on the piss why shouldn't she? If you can't do it when you're a new grad when can you?!

Sounds like you two have not a great deal in common at all so I'm not entirely sure what you were expecting! Maybe she's moaning to her flatmate because she's sick of you sitting around judging her in her own home.

See the post just before yours: OP was invited

HcbSS · 03/05/2024 18:02

She sounds selfish and immature

sockarefootwear · 03/05/2024 18:02

It sounds to me like either
a) she expected that her friends would be with their families/not around so she wanted family to celebrate with her. But her friends are around more than she expected so she feels she wants to be out with them but obliged to also spend time with you; or
b) you enjoyed spending time together when you were younger but now you are more 'grown up' than her and either don't want to party as she does, or she thinks you won't want to do that. So she anticipated you both being out all night and sleeping all day but now she's doing that and feels uncomfortable knowing you are waiting around for her to get up and spend time with you.

Either way, she's definitely being pretty selfish. But having encountered family members at that stage in life I imagine she probably feels entirely justified in being annoyed that she can't get on with doing her own thing, as this is her 'special time'. If she is talking to her friends about this they will undoubtedly agree with her. So I think I'd avoid speaking to her about it whilst you are there. I'd give her a bit of time to grow up before you make any arrangements to see her again though (and book a nice hotel if you ever visit her again).

I had a similar situation with a family member who practically begged me to help her when she wanted someone to go to an event with her and basically transport her across the country. When I arrived she basically treated me like I'd gatecrashed her party and insisted she join me on a very boring road trip. She barely spoke to me on a 12 hour round trip- just sitting in the back of the car playing on her phone like I was a taxi driver (in fact, I would not be that rude to a taxi driver) rolling her eyes if I tried to make small talk. I tried to have a chat with her about the situation but she told me that 'I am not a child, I can do what I want to'. I hope at some point in the future she will see what an arse she was.

Lambriniwages · 03/05/2024 18:06

Well I would have a word with her before leaving . She invited you then treated you like that , it's awful behaviour especially as she was complaining about noone coming to her graduation.
She does sound spoilt reading what you've put.
I wouldn't go out of my way for her again.

MonsteraMama · 03/05/2024 18:08

Pudmyboy · 03/05/2024 17:26

See the post just before yours: OP was invited

Which obviously wasn't there when I was writing my post 🙄 but you're quite right, I'll just hop in my time machine and unwrite it shall I?

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 03/05/2024 18:09

MonsteraMama · 03/05/2024 18:08

Which obviously wasn't there when I was writing my post 🙄 but you're quite right, I'll just hop in my time machine and unwrite it shall I?

Jesus Christ, bit touchy?

MonsteraMama · 03/05/2024 18:13

Ohnodontwantthiscrush · 03/05/2024 18:09

Jesus Christ, bit touchy?

😂

ncob · 03/05/2024 18:30

We’ve had a bit of a talk, not sure if it’s better or worse… I guess time will tell. Going out for the afternoon

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AgnesX · 03/05/2024 18:37

ncob · 03/05/2024 15:53

Ok so if I decide to talk about it - what do I actually say so it’s entirely non confrontational and most likely she’ll respond to well?

I wouldn't try to talk about it, just put it down to experience and call time on the relationship. You've realised, as has she now, that you're very different people.

It's disappointing (as is her behaviour) but it is what it is.

Orangemangogrape · 03/05/2024 18:43

She's just young and silly.

Shinyandnew1 · 03/05/2024 18:46

ncob · 03/05/2024 18:30

We’ve had a bit of a talk, not sure if it’s better or worse… I guess time will tell. Going out for the afternoon

What did she say?

Pudmyboy · 03/05/2024 19:05

MonsteraMama · 03/05/2024 18:08

Which obviously wasn't there when I was writing my post 🙄 but you're quite right, I'll just hop in my time machine and unwrite it shall I?

Can I borrow it afterwards please?😊

MonsteraMama · 03/05/2024 19:23

Pudmyboy · 03/05/2024 19:05

Can I borrow it afterwards please?😊

Sure, takes two to pilot so make sure you pick up some plucky young thing to help and away you'll go 👍

ncob · 03/05/2024 19:30

We agreed to go out for the afternoon ( she is still getting ready) then come back shower and join friends for cocktails later on. We haven’t left yet, I’ve been trying to make small talk without much luck (just soo much easier with any of the flatmates) but I think that also offended her so I’m trying to steer away from being friendly to flatmates…

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BirthdayRainbow · 03/05/2024 19:34

Absolutely do not stop being friendly with these flatmates. That's just silly.

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 03/05/2024 19:41

She sounds like hard work. What's the age difference between you?

WitchyWay · 03/05/2024 19:42

Yeah, I'd be ditching the plans tonight. What did she say about how she's feeling when you raised it? Did you tell her you overheard her bitching about you?

She sounds spoilt and bitchy and that would be the end of our relationship. It makes you wonder if that's why no one else has bothered to come and support her. Perhaps she's burned her bridges there too.

I'd get an early night with a view of getting up early and having a lovely morning out on my own before heading to the airport.

ncob · 04/05/2024 14:25

@KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop 5 years between us. 25 & 30. I have lots of friends/colleagues around 25 (and tbh don’t feel like I’m older than 25..!) so it didn’t feel like much of an age gap now we’re adults. I’m also v close to 2 other mutual cousins aged 22 & 27 (they’re sisters). I guess I was trying to make more of an effort with this one especially given she’s so far geographically (US) and the dates worked so we were both excited.

@Shinyandnew1 @WitchyWay
I didn’t mention that I overheard straight away. Just asked if I’ve done or said something to upset her (answer was omg no), if she can feel the tension (yes she’s been uncomfortable from basically the moment I arrived), ok I haven’t I only have been from when I heard her bitching about me which is so upsetting - did she even want me here in the first place? Have I invited myself? 1) what made her so upset to be saying such things and 2) the charged language and bitchyness is so hurtful. If it’s in everyone’s interest if I just leave her to it, go out for the day on my own and no one needs to say a word to our families who were so excited for this reunion/her not graduating alone.

she initially denied saying anything (I actually have it recorded, I was in the bathroom taking a quick outfit/makeup/newly done nails video for my friends back home- I’m not a girlie girl but going all out here so they wanted to see).. she asked what I overheard, I asked do you really want to know? I think it will just upset as both, you know what you’ve said and it was really unkind.
she then asked if it was when she was talking to X and she said some other bitchy stuff (no it wasn’t but thanks for that..)

I told her i actually accidentally have it on video, I can show her but I don’t really want to listen again as found it quite disturbing and I don’t think it’ll help anyone and she knows what she’s said. She apologised and said she gets it, do I want some space? As she would. i just said perhaps normally yes but we have 24hrs.. if she prefers to go see friends then no problem. She said it bothered her that I was chatting more to her friends, that us two don’t have much in common and we’re not connecting but she’s really grateful I came and thought it would be amazing.

i think there were cultural differences. She thought it was rude that I didn’t engage with friends more at graduation - I said I didn’t want to suffocate her, I took lots of photos of her, a few of the two of us, some of her friends & her etc and sometimes stepped back so she could have her moment with random peers that we bumped into, I didn’t think it right for me to jump into all the photos. She got it when I explained but at the time she found it rude and thought i was bored (I really wasn’t, I’ve graduated twice and I get it.. I wouldn’t have wanted my mum/dad being attached to my hip at mine).

There was also lots of misinterpreting of English - her: what do you want to do? Me: I don’t mind, I’m not sure what the options are - happy to take a walk or grab a drink etc. apparently the “I don’t mind” wound her up and she thought I wasn’t having a good time. But in reality it really meant that I don’t mind, I just don’t know the area and all I wanted was to spend time with her - where we do that I was different. It’s hard for me to continue being nice/normal post hearing the really horrible bitching and perhaps that’s when she noticed a shift in my demeanour after that moment on her graduation. She got it and apologised.

We went out for the day without flatmates and I told her please just say if there’s any miscommunication as I’m now really conscious of what I say/ my British English. I just can’t be “American”, I didn’t realise how chatty they are - walk past a stranger “omg your makeup is so beautiful” or literally asking us where we are going tonight/ I guess being chatted up anywhere and everywhere etc. In my experience in England, this only really happened in bars. There’s also so much more catcalling, maybe it’s just partly her with the full glam and heels look. Anyway I digress..

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