To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

[Welovecrumpets]

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

I don’t think everyone on the thread being realistic is a ‘Tory voter’, as pp have said. Labour isn’t protected from analysis or criticism for any reason

The VAT policy is poor generally not just those in private

And trafficking will go up and Labour will have to spend to deal with it, especially if their preferred approach is ‘enforcement officers’, that’ll be endless. Trafficking networks are billions £ €$ strong with financial backing and effective marketing so good luck with that

Which is exactly what I didn’t do. Did you read the bit where I said obviously not all areas have what we have? Or the bit where I said it’s the people that live in the areas that have access to great state schools and STILL look down on them that I have the issue with? Or did you just immediately summise I was bashing all parents that send their kids to private school and went on the offensive? (answer - yes)

@twistyizzy see it’s misinformation like this that will determine the next GE. Not exactly a lie but twisting of the facts much like poster’s username. Tories are adept at it. Remember the fact checker service during the Tory leadership contest that was actually Tory HQ ?

Oh give me a break. “ doesn’t meet needs” is hugely subjective and not a reason to acknowledge the huge inequalities and damage private education brings.

Conversely just because they are private it doesn’t mean that there isn’t any bullying.

Additionally, there are so many threads decrying their kids state education because the ones that are happy have nothing to bitch about on Mumsnet. I’m yet to see anyone feel the need to start a thread to say “My kid wasn’t bullied, beaten up or stabbed today”.

I think you are the one that needs to understand a little more about education before you make such damning accusations, particularly state education.Here is some reading for you as regards bulling

https://anti-bullyingalliance.org.uk/tools-information/all-about-bullying/bullying-and-law/bullying-and-ofsted#:~:text=During%20informal%20conversations%20with%20pupils,prejudiced%20behaviour%2C%20if%20they%20happen.

Yes, interestingly my state school (a "cesspit" according to a pp) has had a number children come to us from private as their SEN needs weren't being met. I have no doubt whatsoever that children with SEN are being failed by some state schools due to lack of funding and resources, but when their needs aren't being met by independent schools who have the means that's a choice. My ND children are thriving in a state school and I'm extremely proud of the provision in the school where I work.

I am in the education sector so understand it, and Ofsted, very well.
I gave bullying as an example of just because a school is rated Good or Outstanding doesn't mean it is a good school for ALL kids.

A PM that can actually negotiate and understand the intricacies of policy

Angela Rayner to be on the back benches within two years

Higher taxes on second homes and landlords and closing of tax loop holes (won’t be enough though)

increasong in spending unfortunately likely to see the return of PFI type schemes because saving the NHS is politically more important than looking at different ways of funding health (like they do successfully and with much better results in Europe) it’s a short term solution that unfortunately all parties have adopted in the last 40 years

gradual closer ties to the EU

the rise of the left of the party again to hinder Labours chances to win a second term

The gender ID debate to continue with concerned woman’s voices drowned out

Fours years isn’t enough to see big changes if Labour will another election hopefully shall see movement to a more equal society but I think the changes going in globally may have a bigger impact

Maybe the parents of those 95,000 would beg to differ. That is the number of kids with SEN attending private school (including SEN specialist schools).
There is a broad range of private schools (just like state) and only a small handful are the like of Eton/Winchester.

So you’re ignoring what I linked to then.

Look I get that all you care about is VAT on private education because it impacts you but honestly there are far bigger things to focus on. I honestly couldn’t care what you think of the state sector but the vast majority of parents appreciate their state schools and completely get that they are having to power through in shitty times with next to no support from the current government as regards funding or anything else.

SEN is subjective as regards private education.

The inequalities and over representation by the privately educated from many many private schools in the best jobs and unis kind of dispute your claim.

Honestly VAT on private fees is not an issue the vast majority of the country give a shit about.

I teach and this is sadly true. Ofsted judgements really mean very little and are largely a box ticking exercise as every teacher knows. Our state schools are in trouble in this country and pretending that they are not is spectacularly unhelpful.

Partygate anyone?

DD went state for primary because it was a great school. We have no great secondaries so went private. We are not wealthy and we don't vote Tory.
The issue with the policy is that it has been massively inflated and comes from a place of spite rather than coherent economic policy. Seeing as Starmer is privately educated, as is his wife and their DC benefit from private facilities it reeks of pulling up the drawbridge after them.
I massively support the state sector and would welcome an increase in funding but a proper increase ie through income tax which is the only way to raise the amount needed to properly invest in state schools.
All kids should have access to fantastic schools but ultimately all VAT will do is make private schools more elite by pushing out middle earners and making it only affordable for the truly wealthy.

Best get rid of the party who has been at its helm the past 14 years then.

Agree with this. I used to live near a British Leyland manufacturing plant. Regular occurrence for the workers to walk into the pub order a pint and say oh look I've done x amount of hours, mates had clocked them in. They'd get sacked and then they'd all be on strike because you know it wasn't fair to sack someone for getting paid for work they weren't doing. And then there was the taking in of mattresses to sleep on whilst they were supposed to be working.

A few people also seem to be forgetting Blair and that war and Brown and selling off the gold

And that gap will only increase with the VAT as it will push put middle earners and make private schools affordable for only the wealthy.

Bugger all. I am far too old to believe that a change of Government changes anything.

It’s already only affordable for the truly wealthy.

And I repeat there are far more important things to be thinking of in this election and the vast majority couldn’t give a shit about VAT on private fees.

Excellent post.

That's factually incorrect. We are not wealthy and most of DDs friends aren't. Most schools run approx 15-25% of fees paid by bursaries. VAT will potentially push up to 20% of kids out of private schools..
Labour have done well to spin the line that private schools are full of ultra wealthy parents. Outside of London the average cost of fees per year is 15K.
For us to move to the catchment of a good state would cost 150K against total fees of approx 75K for 5 years.

I’m a middle earner, circa £30k pa. No way I could ever afford private education. I already drive an old banger, don’t have fancy holidays, don’t buy designer clothes. Already scrimp and save.

I think after the initial euphoria of winning evaporates they will think,
'Oh bugger, now what are we going to do?'

I'm most worried about the very real possibility of a lib dem strong hold as people avoid both cons and labour