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Humiliated by John Lewis staff

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FTMaz · 01/05/2024 21:53

Hi
okay so I know this will seem very trivial to some but it is playing on my mind because I think I am a very reasonable and polite person and feel I was humiliated for absolutely no reason.

so I bought a jumper from a John Lewis store (Sweaty Beaty brand). The jumper was in the sale for £65. I wore it once and washed it according to the instructions. I put it on yesterday and my Mum commented that it had faded, the jumper is beige but I noticed it had a big white patch where the colour had seemingly ran out of it on the front. As I know John Lewis is known for their customer service I decided I would take it to the store to see if they would offer an exchange, I still had the receipt showing it had been purchased recently.

I went to the womenswear till but the queue was massive (I had my 12 week old baby with me) so I went to a till near the shoes. The girl serving must have been about 17/18. I explained to her what had happened and said I wasn’t sure if I could swap it but thought it was worth an ask. The girl was very polite but said she needed to check with a colleague, fine not a problem. She returned with a colleague who didn’t even acknowledge me. At this point there was a now a queue at the till. They both turned away from me and girl number 2 started whispering and inspecting the jumper. This probably went on for about 10 minutes. Girl number 1 then turned back to me and said something to the effect of I’m really sorry but I need to check with a manager…I assumed girl 2 was a manager but again I said okay. She then called someone on the phone. I continued to wait and at this point my baby started to cry, girl number 1 obviously feeling uncomfortable called again and apologised, again fine as not her fault that baby is crying or that manager is taking a long time. So eventually the manager turns up and calls me ‘sweetheart’ okay a term of endearment but I am a 34 year old professional so odd of her to do. Anyway…she inspects the jumper and says she can’t see the white patch, I said to her I couldn’t either until I went into natural light and my Mum pointed it out. At this point I am starting to feel agitated and embarrassed as there is a queue, my baby is crying and I am basically being told I’m making things up so I say ‘don’t worry about it for the sake of £60 I’ll just have the jumper back,’ she then says to go with her outside the store to natural light to show her the patch…seriously? I reply no it’s fine I’m not dragging my baby outside I’ll just have the jumper back. Again she insists I go outside with her and I again say it’s fine I’ll have the jumper back. She then turns to girl number 1 and says ‘you’ll come with me outside to look won’t you’ so they both then walk off and leave me at the till with my now screaming baby. Sometime later they return with ANOTHER member of staff, so now 4 people have looked at this bloody jumper! The manager says they all agree there is nothing wrong with it. Now I am quite frankly pissed off and humiliated and say ‘ I told you I would take the jumper back but instead I have been standing here whilst 4 people inspect it, I didn’t demand a refund I simply asked if it was possible to do anything such as an exchange.’ She replies there’s nothing wrong with it. So I say (probably wrongly so but I’d had enough) ‘if you go on my account you will see how much money I spend in this store, do you seriously think I would make things up to get back £60?’ She replies again there is nothing wrong with it.

for context I worked in retail for years both before starting university, during and after (the irony is I actually also worked in that John Lewis 😂) I get that it can sometimes be shit and people are rude but I was honestly lovely and feel I was humiliated and spoken to like an idiot.

However I am also overly tired from the sleepless nights….so AIBU to wait to complain to the store?

OP posts:
JustMarriedBecca · 01/05/2024 22:17

It's really interesting you say this. There was a conversation in my gym changing room about someone having problems returning something to JL and people were chipping in with similar issues.

I think they're struggling more than they have before and the messaging is less customer focussed these days.

I know they got rid of their price promise and all the extra guarantees.

It'll be a shame if JL go under.

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 22:18

PlipPlopChoo · 01/05/2024 22:15

of course it matters, it’s recognising what a loyal customer she is

Are you suggesting repeat customers should be treated differently to single purchase customers.

I'm not suggesting anything, I’m directly stating that loyalty should be something a shop should care about for their own profit margins, after all that is what they are on business for!

Theunamedcat · 01/05/2024 22:18

Couldn't you have waited at the till and let them traipse in and out into natural light?

Does it show up on camera

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 22:18

52fifty · 01/05/2024 22:12

I do think your sleep deprivation made you more sensitive but if it makes you feel better, op, I'll tell you my most wtaf return I ever made.

I bought 2 sizes of jeans online from zara, kept the size that fit and went in store to return the others, not even tried on and still in the box wrapped in their tissue paper.... Queued up in their huge queues.... Get to the front, hand the woman the box and say I need to return etc... She made a big deal of unpacking them and then smelt the crotch?! I was mortified and actually asked wtf. Utterly mental

I actually laughed out loud at this 😂 thank you

OP posts:
StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 22:19

Dragging your baby outside? The drama! You had to go outside to leave the bloody shop, fgs.
Any humiliation in this was totally self manufactured.

ziipidydodah · 01/05/2024 22:19

PlipPlopChoo · 01/05/2024 22:15

of course it matters, it’s recognising what a loyal customer she is

Are you suggesting repeat customers should be treated differently to single purchase customers.

Yes. That’s pretty much the whole ethos of customer loyalty in retail.

jolies1 · 01/05/2024 22:19

LauderSyme · 01/05/2024 22:16

My dsil works for John Lewis. She told me the things people return to them expecting a refund is insane.

Not saying you're one of those OP!

Once had a lady try and return a dress she had spilled red wine on because the stain wouldn’t come out and go absolutely spare when I tried to explain that wasn’t a fault!

Mnk711 · 01/05/2024 22:20

I'd write to JL customer services abd tell them about it. Its definitely poor service. Taking time, not great but OK. Making you feel like a leper by lining up people to say they think it's fine and ignoring you when you tried to just take your property back is not OK. I tried to return a suitcase that had a 10 year guarantee on it because it had split along the seam (not due to airport mishandling/overstuffing, it split when I tried to unzip it) and JL refused as they said lots of people try to claim the money back when they've overstuffed it. Refused to look at it to see the evidence of what I was saying. I ended up going to the manufacturer who replaced it immediately. JL are no longer synonymous with good customer service I fear.

IPartridge · 01/05/2024 22:20

doingitbythebookthistime · 01/05/2024 21:55

I don't think we can vote until we see the suspected white patch OP Grin

That's what I'm here for

BrioNotBiro · 01/05/2024 22:20

You're complaining about being called sweetheart while calling the shop women 'girls'.

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 22:20

JustMarriedBecca · 01/05/2024 22:17

It's really interesting you say this. There was a conversation in my gym changing room about someone having problems returning something to JL and people were chipping in with similar issues.

I think they're struggling more than they have before and the messaging is less customer focussed these days.

I know they got rid of their price promise and all the extra guarantees.

It'll be a shame if JL go under.

Ah really. Yea I agree I really like the store. Surely they would also recognise that keeping repeat local customers happy will do them well in the long run? I have my pram and majority of baby items on my account which definitely cost more than £60!

OP posts:
ziipidydodah · 01/05/2024 22:21

BrioNotBiro · 01/05/2024 22:20

You're complaining about being called sweetheart while calling the shop women 'girls'.

The 17 year old?

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 22:21

StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 22:19

Dragging your baby outside? The drama! You had to go outside to leave the bloody shop, fgs.
Any humiliation in this was totally self manufactured.

Hardly, the humiliation was caused by the multiple players in the decision making process!

To be dragged outside to prove you are telling the truth in front of lots of people is completely unnecessary.

TheLongWay · 01/05/2024 22:22

No I agree with that…I’m not bothered about them refusing the return to be honest I just think the whole experience wasn’t good customer service.

Why was it bad customer service? They did everything they could to try and see your point of view instead of simply refusing the refund Confused

As for dragging the baby outside - what a bloody drama queen!

52fifty · 01/05/2024 22:22

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 22:18

I actually laughed out loud at this 😂 thank you

You're welcome 😁 it was 3 years ago and I still think about it sometimes. I don't know why she'd even do that to herself if she was successful in her 'search'... Like a sniffer dog at customers. I even had another person from the queue walk up to me in another shop to share a wtf with me 😂

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 22:22

IPartridge · 01/05/2024 22:20

That's what I'm here for

I’ll wait until the morning…natural light 😂😂😂

OP posts:
StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 22:23

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 22:21

Hardly, the humiliation was caused by the multiple players in the decision making process!

To be dragged outside to prove you are telling the truth in front of lots of people is completely unnecessary.

She wasn't "dragged" anywhere.

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 22:23

52fifty · 01/05/2024 22:22

You're welcome 😁 it was 3 years ago and I still think about it sometimes. I don't know why she'd even do that to herself if she was successful in her 'search'... Like a sniffer dog at customers. I even had another person from the queue walk up to me in another shop to share a wtf with me 😂

Can you imagine the conversation if she concluded that the jeans had been worn. ‘Sorry we will not be accepting this as your vagina does not pass our sniff test’ 🤷🏻‍♀️

OP posts:
Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 22:24

TheLongWay · 01/05/2024 22:22

No I agree with that…I’m not bothered about them refusing the return to be honest I just think the whole experience wasn’t good customer service.

Why was it bad customer service? They did everything they could to try and see your point of view instead of simply refusing the refund Confused

As for dragging the baby outside - what a bloody drama queen!

It was really poor customer service for JL whose brand used to be about their excellent customer service.

blue345 · 01/05/2024 22:25

I worked at JL years ago in my gap year. I kid you not, we refunded a lady whose (worn) jumper was the old Jonelle label from a good 20 years before.

That said, the days of good customer service at JL are long gone. Even in the main Oxford Street store, it can take ages to find someone to help on the shop floor. The customer services team you can phone are also outsourced to a third party I believe so they're useless too.

They used to have really good product specialists, ask a question now and they often look it up on the website (erm, if the answer was there, I wouldn't be bothering to come in and ask you, my 80 year old parents aside).

They're also awkward on returns if something goes wrong and wonder why previously loyal customers prefer to spend less at Amazon and get better after sakes service. It pains me to say this (my friends used to call me Mrs John Lewis for my devotion) but it's gone downhill in a serious way. Not sure there was an easy solution to your issue if they couldn't easily see it though.

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 22:26

StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 22:19

Dragging your baby outside? The drama! You had to go outside to leave the bloody shop, fgs.
Any humiliation in this was totally self manufactured.

I didn’t…as previously explained the shop in in a big shopping centre. You park underneath.

OP posts:
Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 22:26

StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 22:23

She wasn't "dragged" anywhere.

Very literal of you, this is obviously how it may have felt with the quibbling over a poxy refund in a shop that claims it has excellent customer service.

Flickersy · 01/05/2024 22:26

You're being overly dramatic.

You weren't being accused of lying, you admit yourself the patch was only visible to you in natural light so of course they wouldn't have been able to see anything wrong with it in the shop. They can't give refunds or exchanges on seemingly OK clothes that have been worn.

I was honestly lovely

Until you started going on about how much you spend. I mean don't those peasants know who you are??

TwattyMcFuckFace · 01/05/2024 22:26

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 22:20

Ah really. Yea I agree I really like the store. Surely they would also recognise that keeping repeat local customers happy will do them well in the long run? I have my pram and majority of baby items on my account which definitely cost more than £60!

No, see this is a slippery slope in customer service.

I do not want to shop in a store that treats customers differently according to how much money they have, or have much they spend there.

How is that fair?

She asked you to go outside to show her but according to you, that meant 'dragging' your baby out.

berksandbeyond · 01/05/2024 22:28

If you’ve worked in retail surely you know that you get customers trying to pull a fast one? For amounts both more and less than £60! You’ve taken it as a massive slight and it wasn’t, they were just trying to do their jobs

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