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DC at nursery put in front of a laptop watching Peppa Pig, AIBU?

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Breathedeeper · 01/05/2024 13:14

Went to collect my DC from nursery the other day and she was sat watching Peppa Pig on a laptop with 2 other toddlers in the baby room while the other babies and children were still asleep. 2 members of staff there, am I out of line for thinking this is not right and one of them should have taken them outside or to another room to play while the rest were asleep? Never seen this before but I walked in to collect DC rather than her being brought out to me as usually happens. I think the nursery owner was off that day so possibly something the staff have done without her knowing? Not sure whether to approach the owner about it or just let it slide…

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CantSeeTheDifference · 03/05/2024 10:10

Needmorelego · 03/05/2024 09:39

@CantSeeTheDifference yes it's amazing how many people have no clue what actually happens at a nursery (but they're first to complain when there is no photos of their child on the portal or they aren't told how many bites of food their child ate that day).

Yes, precisely. Do people really think nurseries are just flowing with staff who do these jobs for us while we sit on our arses all day and let the kids have at it? It's extremely ignorant, insulting, and disrespectful to hold these views towards the people who care for your children and invest so much in their learning and development.

All the children in my care, I care so deeply about their needs and what's best for them. We spend so much time together, I am the one who cuddles them when they are upset, encourages them when they are unsure of themselves, makes sure they are clean, have full tummies, are having fun at nursery, are meeting their milestones.

It makes me feel so depressed, devalued, and disheartened when people who have no idea the amount of work and love that goes into giving their children the best start in life, start ripping apart the efforts that we put in and criticising things they know nothing about. Very demoralising.

CharlotteBog · 03/05/2024 10:21

Needmorelego · 03/05/2024 10:06

@CharlotteBog it is too much really.
Does a record of everything really need to happen?
Many moons ago I thought about being a child minder. In my youthful naivety I thought a child minder offered an "at home" environment where the child was taken care of but really just tagged on to the adults daily life - the way a child at home with their parent would be.
But even child minders are now essentially mini nurseries and have to go through the same Ofsted scrutiny.
I decided against it.

We used to laugh at how many accident report forms we'd have to complete if we had to do them at home!
nb I'm not suggesting parents not be informed of accidents.

froggirl · 03/05/2024 11:54

VeryHappyBunny · 03/05/2024 07:12

I would imagine the manager/owner of said nursery. Surely a planned programme is easier to implement and would make things easier for the staff if they knew what they were doing and when rather than making it up as they go along. I don't think I have suggested anyone needs to take work home (I did say teachers do, not nursery staff).

It would be a senior nursery nurse job at most to do something like a day-to-day timetable for the children, in between all of the other things they are doing in the day.

A manager would probably give it a quick glance and tick it off because they have 10,000 other things to do.

(Probably including dealing with parents complaining about children having 10 minutes of screen time.)

You just seem clueless about how busy people are in childcare settings.

2under2blah · 03/05/2024 11:56

This is ridiculous. Babies shouldn't be watching any tv at nursery. Not beneficial for them whatsoever under 18 months! Parking them next to some toys they can explore is much better

They play all bloody day!

Breathedeeper · 04/05/2024 19:55

CantSeeTheDifference · 02/05/2024 18:43

Can I ask, please, and I mean this genuinely?

For those who don't want the children watching screens during sleep time, would you prefer me to update the app for 15 children, upload the pictures, do the obs, clean the toys, clean the room, do the dishes, plan the activities, etc, when all the children are awake and not gettingmy full attention? Leaving my stressed-out colleagues a staff memebrr down? There is no other time to do these things that need doing. Unless you would like the staff to stay past their hours to update the app, or take the planning folder home and not be paid for it? Not clean up the mess from lunch?

As PP said, books and jigsaws are always available for them to play with and only hold their attention for a very short time. Do you know what happens when toddlers get bored? They make a lot of noise, waking up the other children.

It's not about giving the adults a break, it's about making it possible for the adults to complete the necessary tasks that are an essential part of your children's early years education. Who do you think plans all the stimulating activities that your children enjoy? Who do you think makes sure the toys are all cleaned? It's done by the hard-working staff who are paid minimum wage.

Despite what some parents think, we don't have a magic wand that we can wave to make all these things happen. At the end of the day, nursery staff are human beings, we're doing our best, and we can't magic extra staff or more time out of thin air.

Of course parents don’t think nursery staff have magic wands, we are parents of babies and toddlers so we know how demanding they are. But just because a nursery is understaffed, or the job itself is challenging with a lot to do does not justify the use of screens with children whose parents may not be comfortable with them.

I worked in bakeries for years - if you were short staffed you couldn’t just chuck a load of potentially harmful stuff in the bread to make it easier to handle, not tell the customers you’d done it and then sell it for the same price. Do you see what I mean?

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Needmorelego · 04/05/2024 19:58

@Breathedeeper no offence (and I said this upthread) but if you want a non communal based childcare setting and one where you can get 1 on 1 care and get to 100% dictate what your child can or can't do - hire a nanny.

Breathedeeper · 04/05/2024 20:35

Needmorelego · 04/05/2024 19:58

@Breathedeeper no offence (and I said this upthread) but if you want a non communal based childcare setting and one where you can get 1 on 1 care and get to 100% dictate what your child can or can't do - hire a nanny.

It’s not about having 1 on 1 care, it’s about transparency. I suspect a nanny with no one else to cover her breaks, etc., would probably feel even more justified using screens than someone working in a nursery. But the point is you need to tell parents if you are doing this with their children.

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Needmorelego · 04/05/2024 20:39

@Breathedeeper the thing is nurseries, pre schools and child minders have had times where children watch a screen (tv, laptop, tablet or whatever depending on era) is something that has happened for decades.
It's not new.
It wouldn't be something most parents would think doesn't happen within a nursery setting.

CantSeeTheDifference · 04/05/2024 23:17

Breathedeeper · 04/05/2024 19:55

Of course parents don’t think nursery staff have magic wands, we are parents of babies and toddlers so we know how demanding they are. But just because a nursery is understaffed, or the job itself is challenging with a lot to do does not justify the use of screens with children whose parents may not be comfortable with them.

I worked in bakeries for years - if you were short staffed you couldn’t just chuck a load of potentially harmful stuff in the bread to make it easier to handle, not tell the customers you’d done it and then sell it for the same price. Do you see what I mean?

Erm, no, I don't, because you are being quite ridiculous and comparing poisoning people to toddlers watching some cartoons Confused

If you don't like her watching them, it's not an issue, and you're within your rights, just tell the staff you don't want her watching screens. Job done. They aren't psychics.

As I said in my other posts, parents are aware in my setting that the children watching cartoons sometimes. If a parent told me they didn't want this to happen, I would respect that.

It's not the fact that parents may not want their children to watch the screen that is my gripe, it's that people are saying nursery staff are using screens to "be lazy" and so they can "have a break" when in fact the very opposite is true.

PercyPigInAWig · 04/05/2024 23:31

I wouldn’t be happy with that. I don’t allow Peppa Pig at home so don’t expect to pay for DC to watch things like that.
The fact that nursery staff are paid minimum wage is a disgrace. I would be willing to pay more for childcare but many parents wouldn’t or indeed can’t. Staff should be getting paid to tidy and prep when the children are not in. I know that wouldn’t happen because childcare is already expensive and people don’t want to pay more.

CantSeeTheDifference · 04/05/2024 23:52

And for what it's worth, I don't think YABU to not want your child to watch screens at nursery. If your child attended my setting, I would respect your wishes. Some parents are OK with it, some aren't. Both are fine.

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 05/05/2024 00:33

PercyPigInAWig · 04/05/2024 23:31

I wouldn’t be happy with that. I don’t allow Peppa Pig at home so don’t expect to pay for DC to watch things like that.
The fact that nursery staff are paid minimum wage is a disgrace. I would be willing to pay more for childcare but many parents wouldn’t or indeed can’t. Staff should be getting paid to tidy and prep when the children are not in. I know that wouldn’t happen because childcare is already expensive and people don’t want to pay more.

Out of interest, what programmes do you allow?

PP is quite educational compared to, say, Paw Patrol.

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