To be disappointed in Sting

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And the rest of them that it’s taken bad publicity to cause then to take a stand. I used to think that Sting was a decent bloke (and I had a crush on him in my earlier life) but I feel very disappointed that he became a member in the first place.

And call it what it is; a sexist, misogynistic and discriminatory practice. Not an ‘anomaly’. Shame on them.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/30/garrick-club-women-female-members-stephen-fry-sting

E.g. men only drinking port and deciding who is going to be chancellor of the exchequer = not fine. Men only plus Susan and Tabitha deciding who is going to be the next chancellor is slightly better but also not great.

If all the members who want to open the club up the women quit it'll guarantee it stays all male.

These clubs are private clubs, anyone can set up a club and invite who they want and have want rules they want, its not a public service. Comparing it with parenting classes is ridiculous.

Let men have their club! And women have theirs! There are at least a couple in London. Women are in enough positions of power now to scheme and plot just like the men if that’s their thing.

Maybe it’s a ‘men’s safe space’ y’know, like we want women to have? I don’t have a problem with it 🤷‍♀️

Well, let women start one!

Men still hold most of the power in this country.

Albright in london is a female only club plus at least one other.
I also used to go a a female only gym.
i value female only spaces and don’t have an issue with men having theirs

@exomoon "Women are in enough positions of power now to scheme and plot just like the men if that’s their thing"

Do you really think there are enough women in positions of power to compete with the behind the scenes negotiations of places like the Garrick? Sweet summer child.....

Women can start their own club. No one is stopping them.

You quoted the wrong person…

These three women-only clubs are probably closest to being like The Garrick with expensive fees and waiting list/invitation only memberships.

The University Women's Club (founded 1886)
The Allbright
The Sorority

I think it is fine to have single sex clubs. Women should be allowed single sex and so should men.

"We write as Garrick members who produce/co-produce and manage over 35 current productions in the West End and regionally. The current very public controversy over this issue has put us all in an untenable position. Our relations with female artists, co-producers, authors, cast members, members of our creative teams, backstage and front of house theatre staff have all been jeopardised by the recent publicity to the point that, without serious progress being made to finally address this anomaly, we won’t feel able to continue as Garrick members,”

Me, me, me. Poor me choosing to join a men's only club and being embarrassed when the public find out and i am accountable for my decision. Look how decent I really am! I signed a letter with a threatening undertone of quitting! I didn't actually quit or refuse to join in the first place on principle but I don't want people to know that I only cared that I got found out and now I'm trying to salvage my reputation.

Look at me using my power and influence to benefit myself after being caught, not to be the change I wanted to see in the first place.

Why can't men have men only clubs?

Exactly this.

That’s how it reads to me too.

I have been disappointed in Sting since about 1978, the tool.

oh and Stephen Fry is a tedious git.

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Women are still massively underrepresented and underpaid for the same job. We DO NOT have anything near equality yet.

Exactly, the only female members will be elite females who have the same motivations as elite men.

Well, and then it leads to a whole other debate about fairness and level playing fields. I would rather see more fair play but if these elite clubs are going to exist then I want representation as a woman at least.

I guess I just don't believe elite women are any closer to representing us plebs than elite men.

I agree it would have been nice if they had raised this concern sooner. But the way the story is reported seems designed to provoke this reaction in the reader about Sting and others, complete with photo of Sting, which doesn’t seem like good journalism.