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In laws ...not sure if I'm being Unreasonable

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bert3400 · 30/04/2024 00:21

My lovely dad suddenly passed away last Tuesday it has completely shocked us all, as he was very fit and healthy. My inlaws found out, has they were visiting one of my adult kids when the news came in .For
Context my in laws have been on holiday with my parents, independent of me and DH, also holidays with all of the family. They are also regular guest at family meals at my parents house, we all generally get on very well. Tonight I had a short message from MIL wishing me, Dh and DC a message of condolences. Neither FIL or MIL have messaged my mum, it has been noticed their silence. I am getting so angry at them and at this moment, never want to lay eyes on them again. I feel it's really hurtful to my mum that they can't even send a message or text, when she needs all the support she can get . I ranted at my DH ( who has been amazing) telling him that I may not recover from their lack of empathy and I'm so angry at them ...aibu ? Sorry for the long post

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WacCec · 03/05/2024 13:23

So sorry for your loss.

Some people lack empathy, but generally mean well.
When you are in a better place maybe explain this situation and how hurt you and your Mum
feel. I am sure they will be horrified that they have upset you.

Underestimated4 · 03/05/2024 13:25

Have they maybe sent a card in post? People deal with things differently. It may have also hurt them and worried them being a similar age. You’re hurting but give them a little time I’m sure they won’t be ignoring your Mum.

Sillyjane · 03/05/2024 13:29

I’m so sorry about your dad, but I think this is grief talking. I think they are right not to intrude and have done the sensitive thing by reaching out to you.

it’s an awful time, but they aren’t the issue, you’re just directing your anger at them,💐

Sillyjane · 03/05/2024 13:30

Stormyweathr · 03/05/2024 13:14

I would send a lovely message to your in laws thanking them for their kind words and then I would

‘feel free to drop mum a message too as she could do with as many good friends around her at this sad time’

they may feel like they are imposing as they are not related just give them the green light

Excellent suggestion.

Cluborange666 · 03/05/2024 13:32

I’m sorry for your loss. My sister died last year from a brain tumour. She was young. My in laws have literally never mentioned it to me, no condolences, no card, no nothing. Tbh, I am not surprised as they are not kind people but I don’t know how anyone could behave like that and believe that they are decent people.

Devon23 · 03/05/2024 13:46

Massive overreaction and not something you should be focusing on right now. Possibly deflection?

DecoratingDiva · 03/05/2024 14:03

People handle death differently. My MIL completely goes to pieces when someone they are reasonably close to dies, to the extent she evenn has to get someone else to remove the deceased as a contact on her phone.

however, when it is is someone she doesn’t know well she is fine with it and will even go to the funeral.

People are funny. Try to keep your cool but may be worth getting DH to explain to them how you feel about their lack of contact.

Shinyandnew1 · 03/05/2024 14:04

Stormyweathr · 03/05/2024 13:14

I would send a lovely message to your in laws thanking them for their kind words and then I would

‘feel free to drop mum a message too as she could do with as many good friends around her at this sad time’

they may feel like they are imposing as they are not related just give them the green light

That is perfect-I would send this.

RicePuddingWithCinnamon · 03/05/2024 14:09

When my grandma died my in laws didn’t acknowledge it in anyway. There’s no excuse a quick ‘sorry for your loss’ generic text would have been something. I guess at least you have that. But their behaviour is shit. A bunch of flowers left at yours mums with a little ‘let me know if I can help’ note or something would have been kind.
Sorry for your loss of your lovely dad @bert3400 💐

BollockstoThis1 · 03/05/2024 14:21

I think the text message sent to you OP was intended for all of your family (including your mum as she is part of your family) and they probably expected you to pass on condolences to your mum as they perhaps didn’t want to intrude by phoning her or texting her at this time. Everybody deals with things differently no right and no wrong. Some people phone, some visit in person, some send cards, or flowers, some text and some give people give others some privacy, time and some space to grieve. No right or no wrong way.

I don’t think causing hassle with your in laws is the way to go at the minute for a number of reasons.

I got my head bitten off a couple of years ago by saying I was sorry and asking a neighbour how she was following a death. She said bollocks if you don’t mind i don’t want to talk about this all the time and every time i leave the house. It was the first time I had seen her and she was obviously struggling. Since I just smile politely and say hello.

CosyLemur · 03/05/2024 14:30

Maybe let you IL's know that your mum needs them at the moment. They may not want to intrude on family mourning. Equally as they were as close as you say they were they'll also be grieving and may worry that if they speak to/see your mum they'll upset her even more.

For context it took me over a week to speak to my Grandma (who I spoke to practically everyday) when my Grandad died a couple of years ago; because I didn't want my crying to make her cry.

C152 · 03/05/2024 16:26

I'm very sorry about your dad, OP. I think it's probably not unreasonable to be a little ticked off, but to be so enormously angry may be a combination of hurt at their lack of support and grief and shock. It's not an excuse, but it is true that a lot of people are really shit with bad news. They don't know what to do or say and for fear of saying the wrong thing, they say nothing at all. Given that your families have been so close for so long, I would try and give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens next.

Nanny0gg · 03/05/2024 17:04

bert3400 · 30/04/2024 01:03

Thank you for your lovely kind words.

It's the silence from them that is so painful. I mean they have pretty much been to my parents house every month for the last 20 + years for meals, every year we all holiday together....so them saying nothing has really hurt my mum & me.
I agree with keeping my anger to a minimum level , as I have never experienced this kind of grief before, the sudden unexpected death of my dad has completely floored me and I may be irrational. Thank you ❤️

I do think they are close enough that they should have been in touch

Has your DH said anything to them?

I am so sorry

JanefromLondon1 · 03/05/2024 17:30

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Boomer55 · 03/05/2024 17:33

I was widowed last year, and people can react differently to how you thought they would.

I guess some people just get uncomfortable with the whole thing.

Condolences. 💐

Sillyjane · 03/05/2024 17:45

BollockstoThis1 · 03/05/2024 14:21

I think the text message sent to you OP was intended for all of your family (including your mum as she is part of your family) and they probably expected you to pass on condolences to your mum as they perhaps didn’t want to intrude by phoning her or texting her at this time. Everybody deals with things differently no right and no wrong. Some people phone, some visit in person, some send cards, or flowers, some text and some give people give others some privacy, time and some space to grieve. No right or no wrong way.

I don’t think causing hassle with your in laws is the way to go at the minute for a number of reasons.

I got my head bitten off a couple of years ago by saying I was sorry and asking a neighbour how she was following a death. She said bollocks if you don’t mind i don’t want to talk about this all the time and every time i leave the house. It was the first time I had seen her and she was obviously struggling. Since I just smile politely and say hello.

I’d assume the same or they likely do not wish to intrude and are trying to be sensitive. It’s always difficult to know what to do. Often space is the right answer, in the immediate aftermath, I can only assume the ops extreme reaction is due to extreme levels of grief rather than she really thinks they don’t give a shit and have had an empthay by pass, especially as they did get on well.

Salome61 · 03/05/2024 19:16

I'm so very sorry, but I'm sure they don't know what to say and will be sending a carefully chosen card.

People don't seem to realise your whole future falls away when your partner dies - many of the plans and dreams have gone. Suddenly you have to do absolutely everything, and you do miss having someone to do nothing with.

My husband died and I had people crossing the road, at first it made me really angry, but then I pitied them. It's not contagious.

Your Mum might like to join WAY UP, it was and is my saviour still after eight years (I'm 67 now).

Way Up – Online Widowed Support Group (way-up.co.uk)

I also rang the Samaritans whenever I felt terrible, 116 123 for free. You can email too.

You might like this article to help you with your grief. I was desperate in the first few months and did have counselling but it didn't help, at the end of the day I was still completely alone. This made sense to me in my confusion. Take care and remember to be kind to yourselves during these sad months.

The Ball in the Jar

One day I saw a notice for a talk on helping children through bereavement by Barbara Monroe, the Chief Executive of St Christopher's Hospice in London.

When I arrived, what I saw resembled a physics lesson. On the table before her was a very large glass jar.

Beside it were three balls: one large, one medium-sized, one small.

Without a word, she began to stuff the large ball into the jar. With a great deal of effort, she wedged it in. 'There!' she said. 'That's how grieving feels at first. If grief is the ball and the jar is your world, you can see how the grief fills everything. There is no air to breathe, no space to move around. Every thought, every action reminds you of your loss.'

Then she pulled the large ball out of the jar and put in the medium-sized ball. She held it up again, tipping it so the ball rolled around a bit. 'Maybe you think that's how it will feel after a time - say, after the first year. Grieving will no longer fill every bit of space in your life.'

Then she rolled the ball out and plopped in the small ball.

'Now, say, by the second or third year, that's how grieving is supposed to feel. Like the ball, it has shrunk. So now you can think of grief as taking up a very small part of your world - it could almost be ignored if you wish to ignore it.'

For a moment, considering my own crammed jar, I thought of leaving.

'That's what everyone thinks grieving is like,' the voice continued. 'And it's all rubbish.'

I settled back into my seat. Two other glass jars were produced from under the table: one larger, one very large.

Now,' she said, imperiously. 'Regard.' Silently, she took the largest ball and squeezed it slowly into the least of the three jars. It would barely fit. Then she pulled the ball out and placed it in the next larger jar. There was room for it to roll around. Finally, she took it out and dropped it into the largest glass jar.

'There,' she said, in triumph. 'That's what grieving is really like. If your grieving is the ball, like the ball here it doesn't get any bigger or any smaller. It is always the same. But the jar is bigger. If your world is this glass jar, your task is to make your world bigger.' You see,' she continued, 'no-one wants their grief to shrink. It is all they have left of the person who died. But if your world gets larger, then you can keep your grief as it is, but work around it.'

Then she turned to us. 'Older people coping with grief often try to keep their world the same. It is a mistake.

If I have one thing to say to all of you it is this: make your world larger. Then there will be room in it for your grieving, but your grieving will not take up all the room. This way you can find space to make a new life for yourselves

Way Up – Online Widowed Support Group

https://way-up.co.uk/

Devonshirerexx · 03/05/2024 19:34

So sorry for your loss

My friend lost her mum tragically last week I sent a card after reaching out by phone , bumped into my mil and she said oh I know a lot of people that have died like that , I was fuming I walked away from her , she has known my friend since she was 11 years old , and when my grandparents and young relatives passed she only said oh your nana had a good innings and nothing about the others so obviously she lacks empathy, but in your case I think give them time , some people like to feel taking a step back out of respect and also don't have the words , have they enquired through your hisband on how you are holding up xx

Delphiniumandlupins · 03/05/2024 22:06

I think your in-laws will be grieving as well, for the loss of their friend. You are obviously in shock but please don't assume they have intended to insult your mother. They may feel a text message is the wrong way to contact her and not want to intrude just now.

Calliopespa · 03/05/2024 22:13

bert3400 · 30/04/2024 01:03

Thank you for your lovely kind words.

It's the silence from them that is so painful. I mean they have pretty much been to my parents house every month for the last 20 + years for meals, every year we all holiday together....so them saying nothing has really hurt my mum & me.
I agree with keeping my anger to a minimum level , as I have never experienced this kind of grief before, the sudden unexpected death of my dad has completely floored me and I may be irrational. Thank you ❤️

I’m so sorry OP.

I actually do feel your ILs ought to have reached out but I think that’s you and me feeling one way about it and clearly everyone reacts very differently to something like this.

I’m really confused that your DH hadn’t mentioned it to them and/or that didn’t trigger them to send condolences to your mum. However, whatever the reason, it is likely to be related to their own shock/ uncertainty rather than disrespect or lack of empathy. Perhaps they feel giving space until the funeral is the best thing. But if your mum is hurting from it ask DH ( as calmly as possible!) to prompt them .

GraziaMaria · 03/05/2024 22:17

My father died suddenly two weeks before I married. So many people didn't offer their sympathies I still recall this 20 years later. Please do send a card or a note,text or email.

GentleMintCat · 04/05/2024 07:07

So interesting to see how these things are dealt in different cultures. For me, sending just a text message would mean nothing really from such a close family member. I would expect at least a call to my mom, offering face to face meeting, or help and support (whatever they can do) during this shocking times.
However, people react differently to death, it's also shocking to them, especially if they were so close. Stay strong.

SpongeBob2022 · 04/05/2024 07:36

I'm so sorry for the loss of your lovely Dad, OP and I don't think you are being unreasonable. However I think your anger is a little bit misplaced due to the grief you are feeling, which is totally understandable.

I wanted to comment more generally though. I know that there will be different opinions on this and that maybe one isn't 'right'. However I feel strongly that the view of 'not wanting to intrude', although well meaning, is just not the right one.

Its not about what 'you' might want in that hypothetical scenario. Its what the other person wants. And my personal opinion is that there are more people who would want their loss acknowledged than wouldn't and so that is the route to take. It may feel like a gamble but is there any real risk of upsetting someone with a simple text? I dont think so. But the risk of upsetting someone by doing nothing, however well meaning, is greater IMO.

Doone22 · 04/05/2024 22:21

bert3400 · 30/04/2024 00:21

My lovely dad suddenly passed away last Tuesday it has completely shocked us all, as he was very fit and healthy. My inlaws found out, has they were visiting one of my adult kids when the news came in .For
Context my in laws have been on holiday with my parents, independent of me and DH, also holidays with all of the family. They are also regular guest at family meals at my parents house, we all generally get on very well. Tonight I had a short message from MIL wishing me, Dh and DC a message of condolences. Neither FIL or MIL have messaged my mum, it has been noticed their silence. I am getting so angry at them and at this moment, never want to lay eyes on them again. I feel it's really hurtful to my mum that they can't even send a message or text, when she needs all the support she can get . I ranted at my DH ( who has been amazing) telling him that I may not recover from their lack of empathy and I'm so angry at them ...aibu ? Sorry for the long post

You're upset but wrong to be cross with them, they might consider a message far too informal for this kind of thing but ok for you because you're younger and a different generation.
Let them alone.

bert3400 · 05/05/2024 09:08

Thank you to all of the responses. They did send a card a few days ago, so I'm pleased I didn't 'let rip'. And they are coming to the funeral as well ❤️

Sudden grief is something I've never experienced before, I have had close family pass before but there has always been a period of time to adjust and prepare. Loosing my dad as been unbelievably painful and shocking for us ❤️

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