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To ask what is really so bad about a teaching career compared to other jobs? Does anyone actually enjoy it?

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yardstickss · 28/04/2024 09:31

I earn reasonably highly in a career in finance. I manage the pressure ok and it’s quite competitive, which I don’t enjoy, but just try to focus and get the work done and go home/log off. I often work until mid evening and will usually but not always work Sunday evening for 4 ish hours to make the start of the week less stressful.

I have always considered working in teaching and very nearly did a week PGCE. I feel finance is such an empty job in comparison to teaching. I feel I would make more of a difference in teaching. I know it would be a pay cut but I’d also have longer holidays. I hear so much about the downsides to teaching though. Does anyone enjoy it? I know lesson planning takes up a lot of time but I think perhaps similar to how I work late now anyway? Just interested in whether I’m actually missing something (likely!) as I don’t know anyone personally in teaching other than one who really likes it but he works in the private sector.

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Piggywaspushed · 03/05/2024 08:19

Us too. I haven't noticed that happening really - although it's a claim. Just an enormous queue for lunch that takes the entire 35 minutes to be served! And far fewer events and clubs.

Redlocks30 · 03/05/2024 09:48

seafronty · 03/05/2024 07:13

Yep. I take my 50 minutes. I run clubs at lunch and have loads of pupils. It's great.
You couldn't pay me enough to work in England. Move to Scotland. Its got challenges but it's definitely better.
Also, clearly staffroom is a figure of speech. Also, yeah, loads of moaners but the ones who've taught for 35 years already and have another 10 to go are the worst. "Why isn't it exactly like it was the day I started?"

I have never heard anyone complain that their job not ‘exactly the same’ as it was when they started, ever.

Saying that the job now has levels of paperwork that are off the scale and the pressure of being observed/micromanaged and monitored means you continually feel high levels of stress, should be listened to, not dismissed. When there was much less stress, paperwork and testing, there wasn’t such a recruitment crisis and the children weren’t so unhappy, either. That’s pretty important really. Things in schools have changed markedly, for the worse for pupils and teacher, they reasons there should be unpicked and addressed, not shut down as old teachers moaning.

Coincidentally · 03/05/2024 09:50

In my independent school lunch is 1hr20 so even if you have a duty or club there is still 40 mins non contact. Lunch is free. Contact time is max 21 periods out of 30. You will be in demand in an independent school as they will pay for prior non teaching experience. Some are now opting out of TeacgrrsPebsion Scheme do go check they too when applying.

NeedToChangeName · 03/05/2024 09:57

My sister teaches in Scotland. She loves it

Home by 4.45pm Mon to Thur

Friday afternoons off (she's full time, but most local authority school finish at lunch time on Fri)

Never works evenings, weekends or holidays

£60K pa

Redlocks30 · 03/05/2024 10:09

It sounds like stress/workload issues aren’t so bad in Scotland or Ireland as they are in England. Not sure about Wales?

Are they struggling badly with recruitment in Scotland/Ireland? If not, that says it all doesn’t it!? If you pay more, have a reduced workload and inspection stress, then people are happier and want to stay in the job!

BallaiLuimni · 03/05/2024 10:53

I qualified and worked as a primary teacher in Ireland about 15 years ago, then moved to England and worked here for a bit before having my son, so I'm familiar with both systems. It was a long time ago, so things may have changed but back then there was a massive difference between working in the two countries. On the whole, working in England was horrible and I didn't go back after having my son, even though I genuinely adored teaching (I still miss it and dream about it, even now) and I was excellent at it (even if I say so myself!). If I'd stayed in Ireland, I'd probably have taught for my entire working life. My mother was secondary teacher in Ireland for 41 years and loved every minute of it - she really didn't want to retire and went very reluctantly a few years ago.

In Ireland, you were not expected to work long hours outside of school. You went in at about 8:40 (though lots of people rocked up just before the bell rang!) and once the last child had left for the day you were out the door. One school I worked in was locked up by 3:30 - you had to get out of there or risk being imprisoned by the caretaker!
There was none of this bollocks about printing out reams and reams of paper and getting the children to stick them into their books. I could never understand that in English schools - what was the point? Just get them to open a textbook and write in their exercise books.
Some displays were expected but it was not expected that you'd have the place plastered in professional-looking triple-backed displays that took hours to make. Again, what's the point?
The marking in England always blew my mind. It was so incredibly stupid. In Ireland, you would do a maths lesson, assign some homework, the children would do that in the evening and the next day you would mark it with them in class, so they actually learned from the bloody thing! It worked so well - you would do the topic in class, they would cover the topic for homework, then you would mark the homework the next day, so the child had three exposures to the material in quick succession. Very effective.
The whole malarkey in England of assigning homework on Monday to be done by Thursday then taking the books home and marking them away from the children so they had no idea whether they did it right or not was utterly incomprehensible to me. Once again, what was the point? Of course some schools tried to tackle it by making teachers write multiple comments in different coloured pens, which the students then had to comment on - what an unbelievable waste of time! In one English school I taught in I suggested doing it the Irish way and they looked at me like I had two heads.
I was really shocked at how prescriptive schools in England were about how teachers teach - in Ireland (back when I was a teacher at least) you did get guidance on how to approach subjects, but basically it was up to you how you delivered a topic and the main aim was to get the information into the kids' heads, no matter how you did it. In England when I was told I had to teach long division a certain way and I wasn't allowed to do it any other way, even if the kids didn't get it, I was boggled. It made me feel like an initiative delivery system rather than a teacher.

There were lots of other differences, but I've wittered on. Basically in Ireland I felt like a professional who was trusted to do a good job without having to constantly justify myself. In England I felt watched and scrutinised and micro-managed. Teaching in Ireland was (mostly) fun. Teaching in England was stressful and time consuming and frustrating. The kids in both countries were gorgeous and amazing and funny and I miss them all the time.

BallaiLuimni · 03/05/2024 11:27

One thing I'll add is that when you've worked as a teacher it makes every other job seem easy. I now have an office job and I still sometimes marvel at the fact that I can just go to the toilet or get a cup of tea whenever I want. Teaching is full on and intense, even in a nice environment like the Irish system. It takes a lot of energy and creativity and you have to be able to firefight on a constant basis. In good circumstances it is so much fun, more fun that any other job I think.

Piggywaspushed · 03/05/2024 11:32

I must say I do think there re swings and roundabouts about textbooks. My subject's textbook is useless and VERY expensive but also what I DO like about my job is planning (I know!) and being autonomous and creative, still OK in my school.

I couldn't bear teaching to an approved scheme. I would leave. In fact, teachers have left and come back to our school because they value its greater intellectual and teaching freedoms.

I also teach a subject that can't be self marked .

Notwithstanding , I do agree that, overall, the avalanche of paper is ridiculous. And has got worse,not better, with advances in technology!

BallaiLuimni · 03/05/2024 11:35

Piggywaspushed · 03/05/2024 11:32

I must say I do think there re swings and roundabouts about textbooks. My subject's textbook is useless and VERY expensive but also what I DO like about my job is planning (I know!) and being autonomous and creative, still OK in my school.

I couldn't bear teaching to an approved scheme. I would leave. In fact, teachers have left and come back to our school because they value its greater intellectual and teaching freedoms.

I also teach a subject that can't be self marked .

Notwithstanding , I do agree that, overall, the avalanche of paper is ridiculous. And has got worse,not better, with advances in technology!

Are you in secondary? I think the marking situation is different there because obviously you can't mark 25 essays or lab reports in class. The in-class marking only really works for simpler things.

It's certainly possible to do your own thing in the Irish system - if you want to design your own resources, you're totally welcome to. The point is that it's also fine to just write something on the board, or use a book.

Also, no bloody stupid, utterly annoying, pointless bloody learning objectives!!! (can you tell they pissed me off???)

BallaiLuimni · 03/05/2024 11:39

One thing that struck me about teaching in England is that there seemed to be a constant pressure to move quickly, to get onto the next topic asap. I wasn't sure why - in primary it's not really important to cover a ton of science topics, or do loads of history. It's more important that you ensure kids leave primary with all the basic maths and english skills they need for secondary and for life in general. I felt in Ireland there was much more emphasis on repetition and consolidation rather than barrelling through loads of content at top speed.

Redlocks30 · 03/05/2024 12:25

BallaiLuimni · 03/05/2024 11:39

One thing that struck me about teaching in England is that there seemed to be a constant pressure to move quickly, to get onto the next topic asap. I wasn't sure why - in primary it's not really important to cover a ton of science topics, or do loads of history. It's more important that you ensure kids leave primary with all the basic maths and english skills they need for secondary and for life in general. I felt in Ireland there was much more emphasis on repetition and consolidation rather than barrelling through loads of content at top speed.

I completely agree with this-it’s always a total rush to move onto the next thing.

There is a huge focus on English on pointless spag as well. Fronted adverbials and expanded noun phrases for example. I think it was Michael Gove who wanted our children to have what he felt was a perfect 1950s grammar school education, but having parents who attended grammar school in the 1950 and who ended up doing some of my kids’ homework with them, they said it was utter bollocks (my dad’s description) and not phrases they were ever taught/needed to know or have ever used! Yes, they did lots of work on identifying (parsing) types of words in sentences but this feels like made up terminology for the sake of it. With year twos, doing expanded noun phrases ultimately felt like you were telling them to describe something using lots of adjectives which was totally confusing!

I want children to leave primary with a love of learning and books and as the current curriculum stands, we are boring the pants off the kids with mechanics and there’s not enough focus on simple enjoyment of stories.

Piggywaspushed · 03/05/2024 13:57

BallaiLuimni · 03/05/2024 11:39

One thing that struck me about teaching in England is that there seemed to be a constant pressure to move quickly, to get onto the next topic asap. I wasn't sure why - in primary it's not really important to cover a ton of science topics, or do loads of history. It's more important that you ensure kids leave primary with all the basic maths and english skills they need for secondary and for life in general. I felt in Ireland there was much more emphasis on repetition and consolidation rather than barrelling through loads of content at top speed.

Totally -and this content content content (aka 'knowledge') mindset persists at GCSE.

BallaiLuimni · 03/05/2024 14:01

Piggywaspushed · 03/05/2024 13:57

Totally -and this content content content (aka 'knowledge') mindset persists at GCSE.

Incidentally I'd say the same is true for secondary schools in Ireland. Irish teens do the Junior Cert when they're 16ish and they have to cover and remember a lot of content. I'm not sure really what the benefit is - stuffing loads of facts into your head isn't very useful. If you held a gun to my head I probably couldn't remember one historical fact from my junior cert (or leaving cert - A level equivalent - for that matter!)

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