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Stop homeschooling your children.

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pentagonisapentagon · 26/04/2024 18:11

I run an educational consultancy and exam company. We produce books that most parents in our area of education will purchase. Home educating your children makes us money.

However. STOP. Now I don’t mean those that have children with severe issues (this is a small %, everyone likes to diagnose their children with some form of disorder and it isn’t those I’m talking about) who would benefit out the classroom / often awaiting a better school option.

I mean the parents who are tired with the education system - lots of moans that they can’t take their children for a holiday, annoyed about not being allowed make up, the rules being too hard. You can barely spell, stop trying to teach your children yourself. These children are being FAILED by their parents.

By all means, if you have the relationship, time, ability and means to provide a solid home education system (inc money for tutors which will be needed) - go ahead. Just ensure you’re covering the social aspect.

I am seeing the advice to home school EVERYWHERE. Mumsnet and Facebook filled with the poor advice. It’s detrimental to all parties involved.

I’d love to know others thoughts on this.

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BrainNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 26/04/2024 20:03

Or for a placement in an appropriate school. I have a colleague who waited 2 years, and the EOTAS funds were ridiculous.

Doobydoo · 26/04/2024 20:03

I really hope I haven't bought books from your 'educational consultancy'

pentagonisapentagon · 26/04/2024 20:05

BrainNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 26/04/2024 20:02

So let’s say you don’t diagnose them. If they can’t cope in school while waiting for an EHCP or a proper diagnosis, what would you do?

You can be suspect of their being an issue, follow the formal proceedings etc. but you don’t say “Bella has ADHD” when you have no medical proof or evidence of this.

Kids not coping in school is different for every single one. However, having been in schools for over a decade, they fall into a few categories:
TikTok stars (before this it was football / actress then instagram) wannabes i.e. there’s an easy way to make money why do I need to go to school?
Apathy from parents: they hated school and don’t enforce boundaries (esp with gaming/phones)
General poor parenting everywhere. Absenteeism of parental figures - this leads to behavioural issues.
Genuine medical issues such as severe GAD, Dyslexia, AUDHD, Asperger’s

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Blahdymcblahdyface · 26/04/2024 20:05

cadburyegg · 26/04/2024 20:01

I understand what you mean OP. I have no doubt that the majority of those who homeschool do an excellent job. But there is a minority that do it because they can't be bothered to get up for the school run everyday, don't think that their kids should have to follow the school rules, and are teaching their kids to hate school and "the system". It doesn't do the kids any favours in the long run.

Absolutely this, saw a video of a mum bragging that her children would never do GCSE’s as ‘you don’t need them’. Totally oblivious to all the doors she is closing due to her own hatred of school.
Many homeschoolers do a great job and no disrespect to them,

HauntedBungalow · 26/04/2024 20:06

YABU and need to lay off the tiktok mate.

pentagonisapentagon · 26/04/2024 20:07

Blahdymcblahdyface · 26/04/2024 20:05

Absolutely this, saw a video of a mum bragging that her children would never do GCSE’s as ‘you don’t need them’. Totally oblivious to all the doors she is closing due to her own hatred of school.
Many homeschoolers do a great job and no disrespect to them,

Yes this is the point I’m making. There will be fantastic home schooled children. But they aren’t the rule.

Homeschooling used to be a well thought out alternative. Now it’s becoming the new trendy thing due to social media.

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Leonarda89 · 26/04/2024 20:07

I was home schooled to age 12, no tutor/online schooling, parents weren't teachers or anything, didn't follow a curriculum. Had plenty of friends, went to high school, got top grades, graduated top of my class for undergrad and then got a masters with distinction. Sister was homeschooled throughout and got all a* at a level and went on to a top uni.
I'm so glad I was home schooled, I loved learning, was able to think for myself and free from peer pressure. All of my friends hated school by the time they got to high school.

pentagonisapentagon · 26/04/2024 20:08

Oneofthesurvivors · 26/04/2024 18:21

I mean the parents who are tired with the education system - lots of moans that they can’t take their children for a holiday, annoyed about not being allowed make up, the rules being too hard.

I don't know anyone who homeschools for these reasons.

Good for you. Plenty do. There’s a Facebook group for them all to chat!

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Itsrainingoverhere · 26/04/2024 20:08

pentagonisapentagon · 26/04/2024 20:07

Yes this is the point I’m making. There will be fantastic home schooled children. But they aren’t the rule.

Homeschooling used to be a well thought out alternative. Now it’s becoming the new trendy thing due to social media.

Well make THAT point then instead of being abelist

Blahdymcblahdyface · 26/04/2024 20:09

Unfortunately the TikTok brigade kicking off at any school rules are giving the committed home schoolers a bad name

pentagonisapentagon · 26/04/2024 20:09

danitheastrologer · 26/04/2024 19:46

For some children it works really well. Others do better in normal schools. Not really any of your business is it?

It is society’s business. Thats like saying there’ll be the odd child who is physically abused but it’s none of our business. If misinformation is spreading and leading to a change in society which does affect us all, yes we should care.

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pentagonisapentagon · 26/04/2024 20:11

MrsLeonFarrell · 26/04/2024 18:37

I assume you also believe people should have to pass a test before they are allowed to become parents.

According to the Education Act all parents are ultimately responsible for their children's education. They have a choice whether to subcontract that to a school or not. Should all parents therefore be tested to make sure they can make appropriate school selections?

Successful home education is not about academic qualifications, it's about being able to meet the needs of your child, educationally and socially outside a school environment. It's hard and takes an enormous amount of time and money and effort and the community has changed immensely since the government stopped funding special educational needs provision adequately. But the heart of home education, like all parenting, is wanting the best for our children.

I'm sad to see the OP make a living from a community she holds in contempt.

I love the community that care about educating their children. I don’t love the new community emerging that I am describing. Those that should never be home schooling anyone.

As I said, plenty of AMAZING home schoolers. Now it’s becoming too mainstream and trendy.

There are YouTube channels, TikTok channels and Facebook groups dedicated to this to rebel against the government. Look into it before becoming so defensive.

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Blahdymcblahdyface · 26/04/2024 20:14

I’ve taught for a long time but since covid we’ve had children deregistered for trivial reasons - a nose stud being a recent one. These are not parents committed to educating their children, these are parents who just want to kick off.

PutOnYourRedShoesAndLetsDance · 26/04/2024 20:17

Excuse me?
My 3 Grandsons are HE.. all with ASD.
My daughters got 8 GCSE's and they teach my Grandsons.
Eldest is now at Uni having got distinctions.
HE isn't sitting at home just doing school work.
It can be outdoors.. going to museums and libraries..visiting historic sites etc.
Art galleries.. museums of information like Ureka or Bradford museums of IT and photography.
There is home educations groups and meetings.
My nine year old is doing on line maths aimed at 12 years old.
Their Mental health comes first.
Why should we hand over our children to strangers?Only last week a boy got stabbed at the local High school here...by a 13 year old..all over a girl.
He's still in a coma.Most schools are worse than the rules in prison.
Our children.. our choices.

MrsLeonFarrell · 26/04/2024 20:17

pentagonisapentagon · 26/04/2024 20:11

I love the community that care about educating their children. I don’t love the new community emerging that I am describing. Those that should never be home schooling anyone.

As I said, plenty of AMAZING home schoolers. Now it’s becoming too mainstream and trendy.

There are YouTube channels, TikTok channels and Facebook groups dedicated to this to rebel against the government. Look into it before becoming so defensive.

Home education in this country has always had a large proportion of people who have chosen it as a way of opting out of the mainstream, there is nothing new in that.

I am concerned, as are many others, about the sections of the community who feel forced into this because their children have special needs or mental health challenges for which they can get no help. However attacking those parents, rather than the government who have decimated services that used to help does nothing. Public education in this country is in a terrible state.

I am not defensive, simply annoyed that someone who makes money from people who, in the main, are doing their best, should be so awful about them.

Alwaysalwayscold · 26/04/2024 20:17

Some parents feel they have no choice because many schools are no longer fit to go to.

Trans ideology everywhere.
Toilets being locked up for hours.
Teachers on power trips.
Constant requests for money.
Completely inadequate provisions for basically everything but especially additional needs.
Inadequate dealing with bullying.

Onetiredbeing · 26/04/2024 20:20

Yanbu I joined a HS group out of curiosity and I was blown away by the number of women who had no business imparting any sort of education on their children doing HS. Can't spell, completely fine with their children being 12 and can't read but oh trips to the supermarket and adventure days out are completely fine.

Wasywasydoodah · 26/04/2024 20:24

There are good and bad home educators. I think the lockdowns gave everyone a different experience. I had always been interested in home education and I reckon i could have done it with 2 of my children but lockdown made me realise i could not HE the other one.

CrispieCake · 26/04/2024 20:25

If secondary schools weren't in such an awful state, I'd probably agree with you.

NoisySnail · 26/04/2024 20:27

I have seen on MN suggestions a parent HE her children because she posted saying she was struggling to get her children to school on time. Or parents facing fines for children not attending school encouraged to deregister and saying they are HE.

DontSetYourselfOnFireToKeepOthersWarm · 26/04/2024 20:27

pentagonisapentagon · 26/04/2024 20:09

It is society’s business. Thats like saying there’ll be the odd child who is physically abused but it’s none of our business. If misinformation is spreading and leading to a change in society which does affect us all, yes we should care.

Edited

Society’s business in your kind of society. Not the one I want to live in, thanks.

Lassiata · 26/04/2024 20:29

Tutors may be necessary but they may not, that depends on the parents' abilities, doesn't it?

Your thread title is extremely goady. My thoughts? No, I will not stop home educating my children (the correct term, by the way) on your say-so.

By all means, if you have the relationship, time, ability and means to provide a solid home education system (inc money for tutors which will be needed) - go ahead. Just ensure you’re covering the social aspect.

Thanks for the permission! I was doing fine without it, though.

Howisitnotobvious · 26/04/2024 20:31

Youdontevengohere · 26/04/2024 18:24

Have you seen the multiple threads on here about secondary education and how horrific it is? I don’t blame people for homeschooling.

That's it in a nutshell. So many children being bullied or unsupported in mainstream education.

Lassiata · 26/04/2024 20:32

Yes this is the point I’m making. There will be fantastic home schooled children. But they aren’t the rule.

Since the surge of awful parents ruining their children that you describe is fairly recent, I would say that dedicated, competent home edders ARE the rule actually. But you'd rather focus on the ones you've decided are fucking it up.

Blahdymcblahdyface · 26/04/2024 20:34

Lassiata · 26/04/2024 20:32

Yes this is the point I’m making. There will be fantastic home schooled children. But they aren’t the rule.

Since the surge of awful parents ruining their children that you describe is fairly recent, I would say that dedicated, competent home edders ARE the rule actually. But you'd rather focus on the ones you've decided are fucking it up.

Because the number of them is increasing