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To teach all day for £11.90 p/h?

227 replies

Sooooootired01 · 25/04/2024 18:05

I'm a qualified teacher primarily working as a SEN HLTA. Pay £11.60 an hour. OK I guess.
Last week I covered for a teacher who had gone on residential. This meant teaching all day from Monday - Wednesday, a full and routine curriculum of English and Maths etc. 30 kids in a class, no supervision, completely left to own devices. Again, I'm qualified so fair enough. Lessons preplanned but of course still needed delivery.
AIBU to think that paying me rate of £11.60 p/h for this is not OK?

OP posts:
Muller53 · 25/04/2024 20:00

Our doctors are on £14/hr.

PoppyCherryDog · 25/04/2024 20:08

TheChosenTwo · 25/04/2024 18:07

Ps I forgot to add the most important thing which is that there isn’t a single job I would do for £11.60 p/h.

Such an unnecessary and goady comment!!

Im sure there are loads of people who would love to earn more than £11.60 an hour but have no choice if they want to pay their bills.

savoycabbage · 25/04/2024 20:16

But now my role has morphed into something completely different and essentially I'm cheap supply cover. The children I used to help no longer have consistent support - if any at all - and it breaks my heart.
I'm not OK.
This isn't OK.
I need out.

You've hit the nail,on the head here and that's why people are leaving. It's just become completely impossible. I've been doing supply for six years now. I used to be covering for teachers who were on a course or who were ill. Now I'm walking into disaster areas where there hasn't been a teacher for a term and there is certainly no class TA and the needs of the children who aren't NT just aren't being met.

exomoon · 25/04/2024 20:18

TheChosenTwo · 25/04/2024 18:07

Ps I forgot to add the most important thing which is that there isn’t a single job I would do for £11.60 p/h.

Imagine thinking this comment makes you sound successful when it actually makes you sound like a try hard.

notthatperson · 25/04/2024 20:22

NewPinkJacket · 25/04/2024 18:29

But cleaning classrooms isn't a full time job.

Ah true. Maybe combine with another job?

notthatperson · 25/04/2024 20:22

Shinyandnew1 · 25/04/2024 18:37

I think our children should be taught by qualified teachers and it’s a crying shame that it’s now fine to shove someone unqualified in a classroom on minimum wage, because…money.

They are probably more qualified than me though?

PickledWilly · 25/04/2024 20:24

How are you calculating your hourly rate OP?

notthatperson · 25/04/2024 20:25

This might be a dumb question but why don't you be a teacher if you are qualified?

goingtotown · 25/04/2024 20:27

Lumpalicious · 25/04/2024 18:07

Isn’t minimum wage £11.62 p/h now?

Minimum wage is now £11.44

Intriguedbythis · 25/04/2024 20:28

I got paid that at a restaurant as a student a decade ago so I would not accept that as a wage with your experience.

JojoSeawitchHasBeenABadBadGirl · 25/04/2024 20:31

The lowest supply teaching rate per day is £186 which is around £20ph assuming a 9 hour day or just over £23ph for an 8 hour day

Not in the North
Agencies are pimps
They'll try and pay you for Cover Supervisor rates £70/day
They'll put you on £110/120 for General Cover/Day to Day
If loyal, you might get £140/day

To put this in context I was on £120-30/day in 2004

No pension/no sickness/no holiday pay/wear and tear on car + petrol

Shinyandnew1 · 25/04/2024 20:32

notthatperson · 25/04/2024 20:22

They are probably more qualified than me though?

Is being more qualified than you, really good enough?

Do you want your tooth extracted/plane flown/appendix removed by someone ‘more qualified than you’ or someone qualified.

JojoSeawitchHasBeenABadBadGirl · 25/04/2024 20:34

I assume you are in the primary sector OP
In secondary, I don't see LSAs used in the same way although I do see ads for SEN HLTAs where some cover is part of the job spec.
I also assume you, like many Support Staff, are pro rata rather than actual.
Pro rata sucks when you look at the calculations, you'd be better off at a supermarket YANBU

Badgertime · 25/04/2024 20:35

I am a HTLA and Intervention Lead and earn about 23K (pro rata) a year.
I work from 8.30am - 4pm doing interventions all day in secondary. I plan all my own interventions and have had to buy and make all my materials.

At nearly 44, having still not paid off student loans from my degree in 2004, taught abroad and in the UK (EAL/ESL) for several years and spent out and studied hard on other qualifications to better myself, I feel a bit of a failure for bringing home around £13 an hour.

Scarletttulips · 25/04/2024 20:36

This is the problem when teachers take TA jobs. Of course the schools are going to take advantage of their experience when they are capable

Youre wrong there. TAs are expected to take classes, sometimes days or weeks because a teacher is ill and there’s no supply -usually down to known poor behaviour and no support.

Badburyrings · 25/04/2024 20:37

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Motherpro · 25/04/2024 20:39

Not sure about teaching but I'm a TA who only started two months ago with no previous experience and I'm on £12.10 an hour.

Your wage seems low for a HLTA.

asbigasablueberry · 25/04/2024 20:39

My friend is paid 12.40 for a care job in a residential adult care home.

notthatperson · 25/04/2024 20:43

Shinyandnew1 · 25/04/2024 20:32

Is being more qualified than you, really good enough?

Do you want your tooth extracted/plane flown/appendix removed by someone ‘more qualified than you’ or someone qualified.

No but that's what it's going to come to. No one wants to teach so anyone who's willing to and doesn't have a criminal record gets a go

Badgertime · 25/04/2024 20:43

FofB · 25/04/2024 20:41

....and less abuse I imagine. It's usually nice and quiet in there!

I saw a factory job the other day packing at 15p/h. I was tempted to go for it.

PickAChew · 25/04/2024 20:46

Sooooootired01 · 25/04/2024 18:18

@Bobbybobbins Thank.you. It is hard work as also lots of SEN need and children with EHCP.

I'm also assuming that, as you are tied up with whole class teaching for several days, that could mean that children aren't able to get the dedicated support from you required by their EHCP

notthatperson · 25/04/2024 20:46

Badgertime · 25/04/2024 20:43

....and less abuse I imagine. It's usually nice and quiet in there!

I saw a factory job the other day packing at 15p/h. I was tempted to go for it.

Go for it. Why not?

Itloggedmeoutagain · 25/04/2024 20:47

TheChosenTwo · 25/04/2024 18:07

Ps I forgot to add the most important thing which is that there isn’t a single job I would do for £11.60 p/h.

Why?
Is it beneath you?
I'm a qualified teacher and I think this is shocking. I'm financially stable but if i needed to put food on the table and a roof over the head of my family i would absolutely work for that amount.
Are you so privileged that you can't imagine such a scenario?

FeatheryStroker · 25/04/2024 20:48

notthatperson · 25/04/2024 20:25

This might be a dumb question but why don't you be a teacher if you are qualified?

She's a HLTA. A higher level teaching assistant. HLTAs can cover for teachers. This used to be a couple of hours a week for the TAs own class but now it's becoming increasingly common for a HLTA to be 'asked' to cover for various teachers throughout the school.

In an academy school, a teacher doesn't need any qualifications at all.