To teach all day for £11.90 p/h?

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I'm a qualified teacher primarily working as a SEN HLTA. Pay £11.60 an hour. OK I guess.
Last week I covered for a teacher who had gone on residential. This meant teaching all day from Monday - Wednesday, a full and routine curriculum of English and Maths etc. 30 kids in a class, no supervision, completely left to own devices. Again, I'm qualified so fair enough. Lessons preplanned but of course still needed delivery.
AIBU to think that paying me rate of £11.60 p/h for this is not OK?

Good job there is people who are or you wouldn't have any food on table.

This is the problem when teachers take TA jobs. Of course the schools are going to take advantage of their experience when they are capable.

That's terrible, I get paid more for cleaning the classrooms.

Exactly - what a stupid comment that was. Working on a low wage generally isn’t a lifestyle choice 🙄

There you go OP - Career change time.

Come on now you can't be this thick.

Of course you would if you had to.

Im afraid it really isn't, £100-£120 is the going rate here for supply teacher day rate (Wilts/Somerset), £186 may be the minimum the agency take but the teachers often get a fraction of that. Supply teacher per hour is awful pay.

Combined with terrible behaviour, zero respect and very little support from SLT is why I no longer do it.

I worked as a TA for a while when my children were smaller but was often expected to teach all day on around £10 an hour.

The system is well and truly broken.

OP you'd get paid more and treated better in Lidl lass, leave them to it if I were you.

But cleaning classrooms isn't a full time job.

Neither is a ta job to be fair 🤦🏼😬

I think that teachers who take ta jobs are often exploited by the school especially in primary schools. My old school used to pay an instructor rate when teaching assistants took classes. TA pay is appalling.

@notthatperson Not enough hours to cover my rent!

I think our children should be taught by qualified teachers and it’s a crying shame that it’s now fine to shove someone unqualified in a classroom on minimum wage, because…money.

that is less than a TA is paid around here.

a HLTA is on

current vacancies 1. Torbay NJC Grade F (SCP 12-17): from £13.69 per hour

currrent vacancies 2. Grade F, Scale Point 12: Starting salary £17,812 (£26,421 FTE)

both of the above were taken from Devon jobs just now, for Torbay schools

and Devon NJC Grade E (SCP 16-22) from £14.66 per hour for an Exeter school

both different Local Authorities

and one advert for a TA is showing as NJC Grade C: £12.18 per hour (and MTA duty to be at Grade A: £11.59 per hour)

South Hams Local Authority

@AmaryllisChorus where have you got £189 a day from? That’s not the lowest supply rate by a long way!

In wales the minimum for framework agency’s is around £165 a day and in England where no guidelines exist some people are getting £100-£120 a day

@Shinyandnew1 I agree. I've been qualified 20 years but I'm bring treated so appallingly I'm having no choice but to go.

I'm on nearly £20 an hour. That's wrong.

My 18 year old daughter gets paid £11.45 an hour to work as a lifeguard and my neighbour’s 21 year old get £11.45 an hour to work in MacDonalds.

This is exploitation of women. I hope you can leave.

I think our children should be taught by qualified teachers and it’s a crying shame that it’s now fine to shove someone unqualified in a classroom on minimum wage, because…money.

HLTAs who are allowed to teach are NOT unqualified. Take a look at what they have to cover in their qualifications.

Agree with this. School have relied on you for cheap internal cover. If you are in a union could you contact your rep for advice?

@Matronic6 Thank you. Basically they are saying the school can request I teach providing I don't plan and/or mark.

Wow, that's completely crazy - I can't believe you're getting paid that little for all the skills you need to teach.

I get paid nearly £14 an hour for basic admin!

A qualification for an HLTA is not a requirement any more and there is no statutory criteria. Heads can make anyone they want a higher level TA as long as they think they’ll be ok.

* A qualification for an HLTA is not a requirement any more and there is no statutory criteria. Heads can make anyone they want a higher level TA as long as they think they’ll be ok.*

Ah ok, the HLTAs I know are all qualified as are the level 3 TAs I know. I'd like to think Heads believe someone is experienced enough to take on the role, but appreciate that is not always going to be the case when they are desperate. Makes it even more of a shame they are no longer qualified, I didn't know that. Many will have lots of classroom experience but agree anyone teaching a class should have either a qualification or have passed some sort of assessment.

Thanks all. When I was taken on as a 1-1 SEN HLTA 5 years ago I was just that, all of the time, and I loved my job passionately.
I felt I was making a massive difference to the lives of children who would unlikely remain in mainstream education without that support. Yes the pay was rubbish, but the reward wasn't monetary.
But now my role has morphed into something completely different and essentially I'm cheap supply cover. The children I used to help no longer have consistent support - if any at all - and it breaks my heart.
I'm not OK.
This isn't OK.
I need out.