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UC salary threshold is £2500 pmc

194 replies

Reallyxx · 21/04/2024 19:18

On a separate thread, I was asked to google this. So, I have.

Quite many people earn £2000-£2500 pcm that they should be able to live on. So why are there UC benefits for that group?

So more than half of the population is on UC?? I am aware gov has driven wages down over the years, but it seems the net result is of 'more' people being on benefits.

Anyway, why not just 'not tax' these groups? As it seems like people pay 'some tax from their income that is £2500 net' whilst being entitled to 'benefits'.

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aridiculousargument · 22/04/2024 10:33

aridiculousargument · 22/04/2024 10:31

I’m a band 6 (not nurse) and get £2530 net as I think (salary recently went up by £100/month so think this is why) I’m on the top step of the band and receive outer London HCAS.

depending on the post tho, a nurse has scope for weekends and nights and bank shifts

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 11:41

Lougle · 22/04/2024 10:12

The deduction is 0.55 per £1 of your net wage, not £0.41 per £1 of your gross wage (that was tax credits).

Essentially, if you are single, over 25, no health issues and earn £2500 after deductions, you will start getting UC once your allowable rent is over £981.55 pcm.

Edited

In that scenario, what is the allowable 'mortgage' or 'mortgage interest', or is this just available to renters?

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BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 11:50

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 11:41

In that scenario, what is the allowable 'mortgage' or 'mortgage interest', or is this just available to renters?

Why would a mortgage payment be available to people who haven’t got a mortgage?🙄

Lougle · 22/04/2024 11:51

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 11:41

In that scenario, what is the allowable 'mortgage' or 'mortgage interest', or is this just available to renters?

Mortgage isn't allowable as an expense. SMI loans can be applied for.

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 12:33

BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 11:50

Why would a mortgage payment be available to people who haven’t got a mortgage?🙄

You can't read? My Q was, are mortgage holders not eligible? Jeez

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Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 12:34

Lougle · 22/04/2024 11:51

Mortgage isn't allowable as an expense. SMI loans can be applied for.

You can read. Thank you. And thank you for the explanation.

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BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 12:36

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 12:33

You can't read? My Q was, are mortgage holders not eligible? Jeez

No it wasn’t. I even quoted what you said.

dimllaishebiaith · 22/04/2024 12:37

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 12:33

You can't read? My Q was, are mortgage holders not eligible? Jeez

No it wasnt. Jeez.

EatCrow · 22/04/2024 12:51

Reallyxx · 21/04/2024 19:50

I am surprised I haven't heard (single?) parent benefits bashing in many many years. That used to be everyone's subject then.

We are now focused on how those earning over £100K can avoid losing their 'benefits;.

One thing is clear, the benefits and tax systems need a complete overhaul. I would be in support of this £2500 income threshold if single people also received it. Why discriminate against single people?

You forgot disabled people on benefits bashing OP, that’s an all time favourite.

The whole system is screwed and it’s meant to be that way. They do love the hoi polloi scrapping and having a scapegoat at the bottom of the pile.

The scapegoat has two functions - it gives those above a sense of superiority and a group of people to vent their spleen at.

It’s worked well for decades.

DrunkenElephant · 22/04/2024 13:18

EatCrow · 22/04/2024 12:51

You forgot disabled people on benefits bashing OP, that’s an all time favourite.

The whole system is screwed and it’s meant to be that way. They do love the hoi polloi scrapping and having a scapegoat at the bottom of the pile.

The scapegoat has two functions - it gives those above a sense of superiority and a group of people to vent their spleen at.

It’s worked well for decades.

Also ensures people focus on the poor, rather than looking up at those would should be on the receiving end of their outrage…

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 13:19

EatCrow · 22/04/2024 12:51

You forgot disabled people on benefits bashing OP, that’s an all time favourite.

The whole system is screwed and it’s meant to be that way. They do love the hoi polloi scrapping and having a scapegoat at the bottom of the pile.

The scapegoat has two functions - it gives those above a sense of superiority and a group of people to vent their spleen at.

It’s worked well for decades.

You are not wrong.

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EatCrow · 22/04/2024 13:19

DrunkenElephant · 22/04/2024 13:18

Also ensures people focus on the poor, rather than looking up at those would should be on the receiving end of their outrage…

Precisely.

Gingerkittykat · 22/04/2024 13:42

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 11:41

In that scenario, what is the allowable 'mortgage' or 'mortgage interest', or is this just available to renters?

People with a mortgage and 0 earned income on UC can apply to have their mortgage interest paid. It is a loan from UC and needs to be repaid with interest.

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 14:08

Gingerkittykat · 22/04/2024 13:42

People with a mortgage and 0 earned income on UC can apply to have their mortgage interest paid. It is a loan from UC and needs to be repaid with interest.

Rent should also be paid back 'with interest'.

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BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 14:13

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 14:08

Rent should also be paid back 'with interest'.

Why?

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 14:45

BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 14:13

Why?

why 'punish' those with mortgages with a 'loan' and with paying it back with interest.

one thing this country is an expert in, is discrimination. would get a gold medal at olympics.

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Headfirstintothewild · 22/04/2024 14:52

discrimination

Don’t be ridiculous. Having SMI as a loan is not discrimination.

BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 15:31

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 14:45

why 'punish' those with mortgages with a 'loan' and with paying it back with interest.

one thing this country is an expert in, is discrimination. would get a gold medal at olympics.

Because it’s not a “punishment”. If you lend someone money to purchase an asset it’s entirely normal to charge interest on the loan. It’s standard financial practice.

Lougle · 22/04/2024 15:48

I think it's worth mentioning that SMI is capped at £200,000 (£100000 if in receipt of certain other benefits) and the interest rate used is 3.16%. So the most a claimant can borrow is £526.66 per month. Anything above that is not payable.

If the mortgage outstanding is less than £200,000, you'll only qualify for that amount, at the 3.16% rate. So if you have £80,000 outstanding on a rate of 7.32% you'll only be receiving about half the amount of debt you are accruing.

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 16:39

BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 15:31

Because it’s not a “punishment”. If you lend someone money to purchase an asset it’s entirely normal to charge interest on the loan. It’s standard financial practice.

is it to purchase?! oh, I thought a person already had the mortgage and suddenly needed 'housing element benefit'.

you seem to know everything about all benefits. work for dwp?

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Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 16:40

Lougle · 22/04/2024 15:48

I think it's worth mentioning that SMI is capped at £200,000 (£100000 if in receipt of certain other benefits) and the interest rate used is 3.16%. So the most a claimant can borrow is £526.66 per month. Anything above that is not payable.

If the mortgage outstanding is less than £200,000, you'll only qualify for that amount, at the 3.16% rate. So if you have £80,000 outstanding on a rate of 7.32% you'll only be receiving about half the amount of debt you are accruing.

thanks.

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BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 16:42

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 16:39

is it to purchase?! oh, I thought a person already had the mortgage and suddenly needed 'housing element benefit'.

you seem to know everything about all benefits. work for dwp?

What do you think a mortgage is for? It’s a loan to buy a house.

Compared with you I know a lot about most things.

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 16:44

BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 16:42

What do you think a mortgage is for? It’s a loan to buy a house.

Compared with you I know a lot about most things.

well, with that insult, I guess you are hiding something about 'benefits'. easy to work out what it could be!

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Headfirstintothewild · 22/04/2024 16:44

a person already had the mortgage and suddenly needed 'housing element benefit'.

No-one gets the housing element if they own their house, mortgage or not.

You don’t need to work for DWP to understand benefits. After all, all the information is freely available via google.

BIossomtoes · 22/04/2024 16:45

Reallyxx · 22/04/2024 16:44

well, with that insult, I guess you are hiding something about 'benefits'. easy to work out what it could be!

What a very strange comment. What do you think I’m “hiding”?

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