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AIBU?

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To be a bit annoyed at Supply Teacher not having to do any planning?

136 replies

ioryou · 20/04/2024 15:14

I am a Year 4 teacher in a 2 form entry primary school, my year group teacher left at Easter for a job in another school. Therefore, we have a long term supply in until the end of the school year and the school are advertising for a position with a September start. With my previous colleague we shared the planning between us, however I have been told by SLT that I will have to do all planning by myself as the supply only agreed to do the role if she was not required to do the planning. Supply also has been told she will not be subject to book scrutinies and will not need to attend staff meetings after school or INSET days.

AIBU to be a bit annoyed at having to all the planning now? I thought long term supply had the responsibility of planning?

OP posts:
exomoon · 20/04/2024 19:10

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 18:47

Are you a teacher? Unless you are at a one form entry school, you share the planning with your colleagues, so would only do half or less of the planning. Doing all the planning is not a normal workload.

Share the planning with any colleagues or other colleagues that are full salaried teachers?

CelesteCunningham · 20/04/2024 19:21

Unfortunately it's common in every career to be overworked between a colleague leaving and the replacement being up to speed. It's just one of those things - one day you'll likely move jobs and leave someone else similarly in the lurch.

Autumn1990 · 20/04/2024 19:27

Are the plans etc still there from last year? As it should be a case of check them through, tart them up and use them again. Unless some bright spark has decided to change what you’re teaching.

Notquitefinishe · 20/04/2024 19:34

TheAirRunningOut · 20/04/2024 18:36

What a ridiculous statement! What do you think happens in basically every other profession when someone is off sick - other people pick up the slack. Teachers always seem to think they have it worst in terms of workload for some strange reason…

Honestly, most of us really really don't! Please see my reply 4 above yours. I cringe when I read statements like the one you were referring to.

MintHedgehog · 20/04/2024 19:39

Supply only get paid for the time children are in school. It is unreasonable to expect them to do unpaid inset days / after school meetings.

When I did supply many years ago I was barely making minimum wage over the year. It is made worse when permanent staff were often actively unkind and unwelcoming.

Luxell934 · 20/04/2024 19:44

Shaketherombooga · 20/04/2024 15:24

What if that supply leaves tomorrow or the next day or the next week? To be replaced by another supply? Then another?
How can you not see that it’s better for the children to have one teacher planning when the 2nd may not be around long, doesn’t know them very well, doesn’t know the school?

Yea this. And she isn’t getting paid holidays or into her pension either.

CrushingOnRubies · 20/04/2024 19:44

idontlikealdi · 20/04/2024 15:25

Supply don't do planning IME.

This

Unless they are particularly conscientious want a job at the school for the job they are currently supplying

FrippEnos · 20/04/2024 19:47

When we had long term supply in they had several levels.
No planning, marking, preparation, meetings or parents evenings
No planning, meetings or parents evenings but did mark and preparation
did all of the above.

All had different pay rates.

It is very likely that your school has gone for the cheapest option.

fairydust11 · 20/04/2024 19:49

Yabu - supply often aren’t paid to scale - or get paid into the teacher’s pension. They are not in a contract with the school, therefore not obligated to do this, that’s the nature of supply.
This is something their agency would’ve agreed with the school and not the supply teachers responsibility. The school could’ve filled the position with a fixed term contract until the summer whereby the teacher would be working directly for the school with all of the responsibilities such as planning that come with this, but instead they have opted for supply…

However, I do think you have the right to ask SLT for extra PPA/ report writing time etc. as you are planning for the whole year group. You should get some extra time as I believe that’s only fair.

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 19:50

With all due respect, most teachers have to plan everything themselves. It is temporary until the end of July. You are lucky to have a two form entry where teachers share planning. Supply teaching is poorly paid.

Foxymoxy68 · 20/04/2024 19:55

Schools have to pay more if they want supply teachers to plan in my experience. But no supply teacher in their right mind would want to plan anyway. Surely that's the beauty of being on supply that you don't have all that crap. They should give you a bit more time to plan for both classes although in a one form entry, teachers have to plan everything all the time.

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 20:00

Nospecialcharactersplease · 20/04/2024 15:39

There’s always one.

Most teachers plan all lessons all by themselves! Would your advice be that most teachers go off sick? There would be barely any left!

Poppinjay · 20/04/2024 20:10

That doesn’t seem fair. Not sure what you can do about it aside from vote with your feet though, or go sick.

It's shocking that so many posters have told the OP to go off sick to force SLT to do what she wants. Going off sick in protest when you're not unwell is fraud.

The fact that this is suggested so readily doesn't cover the profession in glory.

GladysHeeler · 20/04/2024 20:22

There would be barely any left!

That's pretty much true anyway. Grin

MissAtomicBomb1 · 20/04/2024 20:27

Notamum12345577 · 20/04/2024 18:25

I think supply is the way to go, get paid more and if you just do short term than no planning or marking involved 😁. Obviously no sick pay or holidays though ……

Just in case anyone else who is similarly ill informed is reading this thread thinking supply teachers get paid more, they don't.
My M6 rate is £244, (that's salary/195 days)
My supply rate was £135 so no way would I be planning etc!

cardibach · 20/04/2024 20:34

Notamum12345577 · 20/04/2024 18:25

I think supply is the way to go, get paid more and if you just do short term than no planning or marking involved 😁. Obviously no sick pay or holidays though ……

Paid more? I have 35 years of experience and I get paid as though I were a first year teacher. That’s in Wales where there are rules. In England it could be less. Supply do not in any way get paid more. Plus no sick pay and no pension.

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 20:47

exomoon · 20/04/2024 19:10

Share the planning with any colleagues or other colleagues that are full salaried teachers?

Edited

Your teacher colleagues- so if it is a two-form entry school, there will be two full-salaried teachers, each of whom will do half the planning.

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 20:50

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 20:00

Most teachers plan all lessons all by themselves! Would your advice be that most teachers go off sick? There would be barely any left!

Edited

Most primary school teachers do not plan all lessons themselves- that would only happen in a one-form-entry school.

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 20:51

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 19:50

With all due respect, most teachers have to plan everything themselves. It is temporary until the end of July. You are lucky to have a two form entry where teachers share planning. Supply teaching is poorly paid.

I wouldn't say she's lucky- one-form-entry schools are pretty rare.

GladysHeeler · 20/04/2024 20:54

Not where I am they aren't. They are absolutely the norm. In fact, we have infant and junior schools so teachers have extra subject responsibility as well as assembly and playground duties.

cheesychip · 20/04/2024 20:57

How can you plan for a class you're not teaching? You won't know what they need support with or where their learning needs are for the next week.

LolaSmiles · 20/04/2024 21:00

How can you plan for a class you're not teaching? You won't know what they need support with or where their learning needs are for the next week.
Personal planning and doing the medium term subject plans aren't the same thing.

My personal planning would be brief notes in my planner if what I'm doing from the medium term planning and reminders of which students I need to work with. That's just for me.

My medium term planning for colleagues to work from was much more detailed. Most supply teachers wouldn't be doing this.

WearyAuldWumman · 20/04/2024 21:10

ioryou · 20/04/2024 15:14

I am a Year 4 teacher in a 2 form entry primary school, my year group teacher left at Easter for a job in another school. Therefore, we have a long term supply in until the end of the school year and the school are advertising for a position with a September start. With my previous colleague we shared the planning between us, however I have been told by SLT that I will have to do all planning by myself as the supply only agreed to do the role if she was not required to do the planning. Supply also has been told she will not be subject to book scrutinies and will not need to attend staff meetings after school or INSET days.

AIBU to be a bit annoyed at having to all the planning now? I thought long term supply had the responsibility of planning?

I work in Scotland, but I'd expect long-term supply to do planning, etc.

I'm now a supply teacher myself. I plan the work if I know what classes I have in advance and it's my subject. My experience is that schools often bend over backwards for supply when they're having difficulty attracting staff.

I've not been asked to do reports or parents' evenings, but would be willing to help out. However, I only do two days a week maximum and I'm doing a mixture of covering for my own subject and general supply.

In my previous existence as a middle manager, I had my SLT informing me that the part-time teacher they'd employed for a year would not be taking any period 1 classes (because she had several children) and would not be writing reports.

I smiled sweetly and asked who would be writing the reports. The SLT member concerned look astonished, spluttered and said he'd do the reports. (He was our line manager, but had a different specialism.)

I'd like to think that I did my job well, but my mother didn't raise me to be a doormat.

OP, please speak to your union. Whatever happens, you shouldn't be getting extra work.

Jennaveeve · 20/04/2024 21:12

DS has a long term supply teacher part of the week. She doesn’t plan, she’s very open about that. She was a full time teacher at the school who retired and then came back as LTS 2 days a week. The other teacher does all the planning because she’s paid to. The supply teacher isn’t paid her full rate so why should she do the job like she is?

Longma · 20/04/2024 21:26

Hankunamatata · 20/04/2024 15:30

Annoying but aren't you planning for your own class anyway?

In multi-form schools it's fairly common for teachers in the year group to share the planning. Teachers then just tweak to make it more tailored to their specific class where needed,

It would be daft for everyone to do individual planning if there were 2 or 3 classes per year group, when they are all expected to be taught the same thing. It would be a very inefficient way of working.