to think cutting benefits will increase crime

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because people need money, you know, for food and rent and stuff. I'd be prepared to break the law before seeing my children without food, or homeless, wouldn't you?

Who cares? History has shown that just because a politician comes out with a soundbite to try and rally the troops, it doesn't necessarily mean that there will actually be anything more done about it.

YANBU, but I seriously doubt if things will come to that.

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Compassion for other human beings.

Similar to you @caringcarer I also have a ds that I have fought tooth and nail for, my only birth child now 22 has autism. I won't tempt fate by saying here that he's landed a great opportunity, but he has.

Meanwhile, there's me..the supporter, advocate, fighter, mother...now where do I fit into the grand scheme of things? I'm 61 and sacrificed everything to ensure as best I can that my son can live without me.

I work for whoever will employ me and not many will/do - just like Yosser - gissa job.

That isn't what you typed. You obviously didn't know that companionate is a word.

Do you mean employed? Yes, they are but some weeks it is very little income so not reliable. Nearly all of the workers are young adults who live at home or have no commitments so they can afford to take this type of zero hours job. I wish that employers would just employ people on proper contracts tbh. Having said that, I am pleased that they managed to find work in the end, we were at the point that they were going to have to apply for Universal credit.
Also my DC does have a disability, so there can’t be many companies that guarantee an interview near me, as they applied for a large amount of jobs and only got 2 interviews.

Anyway, I am not going to convince the people who think it’s easy to get a job that it’s not, I can only give my personal experience. Location may be a large factor as well.

You’re barking up the wrong tree with that one. Starmer’s Labour are nothing more than the Tory puppet masters’ backup plan.

After forty years of slow-burn Thatcherite failure, expect no valid solutions or excuses from either of those two circus sideshows.

That tories continue to gaslight voters with the same lies and deflections, clearly with considerable prevalent success, only goes to show the patent stupidity of much of the electorate.

Why don’t they just get them helping in the community? Not full time but equivalent to their benefits and their physical abilities. Cleaning grafity, litter picking, befriending the elderly. Then those who can work are gaining skills and credentials too do they actually have something to put on their cv or talk about in interviews.
I know they tried something similar many years ago but they tried to make it too many hours (way more than minimum wage) and it also saw companies like Asda benefiting from free labour rather than community/charity projects.

It was rhetorical questioning

Because, like last time, it would be used to take advantage.
If there are jobs like this that need doing, then make it a proper paid position, with benefits of work and entitlements to sick pay/pension etc. Don’t try to use it as some way to appease people who “need to see them doing something for their benefits” It doesn’t factor in family or childcare, how they would get there etc, etc, which is where it always falls down.

Also, I would not want someone forced to befriend my mum in order to get their benefits. Ditto when “so many care jobs” is thrown into the mix, I don’t think that’s a line of work to force claimants into either

And what exactly do you think addiction is driven by, a sense of adventure??

Read more like an assumption to me.

A rhetorical question to make statement. That’s the point

Then in some ways you are very lucky as being able to drive is one of the most commonly used reasons for the DWP turning down a PIP application.

And you have countless posts on here saying people can't manage on £100k and that the 'squeezed middle' are really suffering. Many nod along in agreement.

Yet those same people expect people to manage on minimum wage/zero hour type contracts. The disconnect is very real.

Are you actually being serious? You were telling people earlier to “get off their high horse” and then you come out with accusatory rubbish like that?

Never mind telling other people what to do, wind your own neck in you charmless individual.

Only when there is one.

You need internet access to claim benefits and log into UC.

Because its a requirement many providers have a social tariff so it's free or substantially reduced cost.

Because if those jobs need doing, pay people a proper wage to do them!

So you don’t agree with my statement that there would be no difference with the Labour Party in charge?
Odd because that’s exactly what you wrote earlier. Interesting

It will increase mental health, increase poverty, and probably crime too yes.
a lot of people signed off sick are people who physically just can’t work anymore and the change in benefits won’t change that, they’ll just be off sick and without benefits and living in poverty… getting sick or depressed and ending up in hospital or dead!
I absolutely hate our current priminister who sits in his mansion with his millions of pounds judging the working the class and considering us all lazy

Addiction is very often driven by poverty, of course. Powerlessness and low self worth make people vulnerable to drug taking. I never said otherwise - do you have comprehension problems, or did you intentionally misconstrue my point?

The fact remains that a decline in shoplifting rates during the pandemic was likely due to multiple causes (not least the fact that many shops were closed and the ones that were open intentionally limited footfall). Not because mums had an extra tenner.

because this takes away paid work from others

I don’t agree with your pointless assumption, by disingenuous rhetoric, that I support Labour.

So I told you so…and you evidently don’t like being wrong.

“If you look at people convicted of shoplifting in the magistrates courts, it’s nearly always driven by addiction, not poverty”.

“Addiction is very often driven by poverty, of course. Powerlessness and low self worth make people vulnerable to drug taking. I never said otherwise”

Do you have problems comprehending your own self-contradictions or just the fact that you can’t insult your way out of being called out on them?

That doesn’t even make sense.

quote:’ Starmer’s Labour are nothing more than the Tory puppet masters’ backup plan.’

Thats what you wrote.

So my statement that it would be no different under Labour was correct wasn't it? unless you genuinely think that Labour will abandon this policy?