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YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:26

Thegoodbadandugly · 20/04/2024 11:25

That ONE is one too many!

What because all autistic parents are exactly the same? WTF think about what you are saying.

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WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:27

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 10:59

Beats allowing the mother to do herself in, for goodness sake.

What if she had killed herself and the baby?11

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:28

WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:27

What if she had killed herself and the baby?11

Deplorable thing to suggest about a dead woman. What if I tied red balloons to your car? What if demons fell from the sky? What if I covered your kitchen in Nutella?

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Bellsandthistle · 20/04/2024 11:29

Thegoodbadandugly · 20/04/2024 11:25

That ONE is one too many!

And your conclusion is…what?
All autistic mothers should have their children removed? 🙄 What that woman did wasn’t even related to autism.

x2boys · 20/04/2024 11:29

softslicedwhite · 20/04/2024 11:23

I'm horrified at the way society view autistic mothers. Do they think we are all off in a corner somewhere counting matchsticks like in Rain Man? Not wiping the tears after a fall, cuddling while watching a film, spending ages doing Panini stickers, chatting about our days, doing the grocery shopping, checking the school bags and doing the school runs just like all the non autistic mums?

No i think they are all different as the parent of a severely autistic non verbal.teenager I'm very much aware that not every autistic person is impacted the same way he is ,and that it is a huge spectrum and if you have met one person with autism you have met one person with autism
That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone with autism can be good mother though And indeed not all mothers without autism can be good mothers either.

Abouttimeforanamechange · 20/04/2024 11:29

SS played preposterous mindgames with her and constantly moved the bar by preventing her from raising the child with it's father, forcing her to be a lone parent by blackmailing her.

Why was she prevented from raising the child with its father? Why was she forced to be a lone parent? Why was the child not placed with the father, rather than in foster care? Were there issues with the father?

Thegoodbadandugly · 20/04/2024 11:29

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:25

Because all autistic people are a hivemind who exhibit identical behaviours? You are writing fanfiction about an outcome for a dead woman we can't be sure would have happened.

Did I say all autistic people were the same? No I didn't so please don't put words in my mouth. The young lady had lots of problems not just being on the spectrum, she was self harming.

softslicedwhite · 20/04/2024 11:30

Is it any wonder that autistic mothers become depressed? Look at the views that have been shared here. 'Perverts' 'Shouldn't suffer the mother'

'That one is one too many'?? I genuinely don't know what the point of this sentence is. Of course that one autistic person could well have been unfit. But you don't then charge around rounding up all the other autistic mothers because they're all unfit.

Imagine being an autistic mother and reading this thread, you're supposed to be better at empathy than us but I'm not sure that's true...

chocmatcha · 20/04/2024 11:31

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:23

The solicitor was doing his job. She was going to find out the news one way or another.

"another" would have been a much better way of finding out

WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:32

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:28

Deplorable thing to suggest about a dead woman. What if I tied red balloons to your car? What if demons fell from the sky? What if I covered your kitchen in Nutella?

That is probably one of the reasons she wasn't allowed her baby. Especially if she was self harming. It does happen to children.

Your posts are really odd.

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:32

softslicedwhite · 20/04/2024 11:30

Is it any wonder that autistic mothers become depressed? Look at the views that have been shared here. 'Perverts' 'Shouldn't suffer the mother'

'That one is one too many'?? I genuinely don't know what the point of this sentence is. Of course that one autistic person could well have been unfit. But you don't then charge around rounding up all the other autistic mothers because they're all unfit.

Imagine being an autistic mother and reading this thread, you're supposed to be better at empathy than us but I'm not sure that's true...

Don't despair PP. I'm not autistic myself but I definitely do not share the Victorian views being shared here, and most normal people do not.

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chocmatcha · 20/04/2024 11:33

Thegoodbadandugly · 20/04/2024 11:23

I know of someone on the spectrum who talks about their mental health problems in front of their children all the time, they constantly say in front of their children if it was not for them they would kill themselves, can you imagine what on earth that does to the children's mental health?

Just what is your point? This isn't a thread about the person you knew.

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:34

WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:32

That is probably one of the reasons she wasn't allowed her baby. Especially if she was self harming. It does happen to children.

Your posts are really odd.

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Okay and should social services take your kid because there is an infinitesimal chance that you, too, might kill him?

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chocmatcha · 20/04/2024 11:35

WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:27

What if she had killed herself and the baby?11

Wtf

JustSpongeBob · 20/04/2024 11:36

There have been multiple times sadly where mothers have killed their children - I doubt any or all were autistic so to say ‘that one is one too many’ as of to say no autistic mother should keep her child is abhorrent.

Would you apply the same logic to anything else ?

WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:36

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:34

Okay and should social services take your kid because there is an infinitesimal chance that you, too, might kill him?

Yeah if I am self harming etc then yeah they should. SS can't win. It wasn't a tiny chance though was it? It sounds like she was having severe mental health problems (not read the article).

SchoolQuestionnaire · 20/04/2024 11:36

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:13

How was she unsafe? She did not self harm during or after her pregnancy. SS played preposterous mindgames with her and constantly moved the bar by preventing her from raising the child with it's father, forcing her to be a lone parent by blackmailing her. How well would you do if you were being gaslit and tortmented by SS?

SS played preposterous mindgames with her and constantly moved the bar by preventing her from raising the child with it's father, forcing her to be a lone parent by blackmailing her.

Was this info part of the narrative verdict? Because it seems to indicates that there were separate concerns about the father that may have contributed to the decision to remove the child. I don’t disagree that this mother deserved more support, the verdict indicates that a number of opportunities to support her were missed, but if a mother continues to expose the child to a person who ss have stated is unsafe then ss are left with no choice but to remove the dc.

SummerFeverVenice · 20/04/2024 11:37

WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:32

That is probably one of the reasons she wasn't allowed her baby. Especially if she was self harming. It does happen to children.

Your posts are really odd.

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The inquest stated that from the moment she found out she was pregnant until the baby was taken away; she was not self harming and had exhibited no behaviours that indicated she was a risk to herself or her baby. It was purely because of her prior MH struggles, her autism and the fact SS and the LA failed to put in place the social support she had requested, was promised and was legally entitled to receive.

JustSpongeBob · 20/04/2024 11:37

chocmatcha · 20/04/2024 11:35

Wtf

This was probably SS line of thinking too based on ‘what if’ and opinions of small minded people rather than any actual factual evidence or even giving the support they actually should have done.

YourHazelScroller · 20/04/2024 11:37

WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:36

Yeah if I am self harming etc then yeah they should. SS can't win. It wasn't a tiny chance though was it? It sounds like she was having severe mental health problems (not read the article).

Self harming. Self being the operative word. She did not harm her baby.

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WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:38

SummerFeverVenice · 20/04/2024 11:37

The inquest stated that from the moment she found out she was pregnant until the baby was taken away; she was not self harming and had exhibited no behaviours that indicated she was a risk to herself or her baby. It was purely because of her prior MH struggles, her autism and the fact SS and the LA failed to put in place the social support she had requested, was promised and was legally entitled to receive.

I did say I haven't read the article.

JustSpongeBob · 20/04/2024 11:38

WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:36

Yeah if I am self harming etc then yeah they should. SS can't win. It wasn't a tiny chance though was it? It sounds like she was having severe mental health problems (not read the article).

Self harm isn’t a red flag for child abuse

chocmatcha · 20/04/2024 11:39

JustSpongeBob · 20/04/2024 11:37

This was probably SS line of thinking too based on ‘what if’ and opinions of small minded people rather than any actual factual evidence or even giving the support they actually should have done.

If social services have decided the baby is safer away from mum then fine. They are the professionals. But the whole verdict seems to be that it should have been done differently.

EggChair · 20/04/2024 11:39

JustSpongeBob · 20/04/2024 11:25

Exactly - In some ways I feel we are better mothers as we are so hyper aware and hyper vigilant and attention to detail is so important to me that I’m always trying to go above and beyond but I’m regularly shocked at the assumptions made by others about my parenting capacity

This individual woman with autism appears to have have a long history of self-harm and suicidal ideation, though. Not the same thing.

SummerFeverVenice · 20/04/2024 11:39

WithACatLikeTread · 20/04/2024 11:38

I did say I haven't read the article.

Lucky for you many of us have and are willing to take the time to inform you about why the inquest ruled that the LA and SS were at fault for Fern’s death.